go read what Nelson has to say about the GREATEST SOAP of all time

http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/The+Nelson...n_NB.htm?isfa=1

Oh please, who takes what Nelson has to say seriously? This Bell pimping of yours is getting old, not everyone has the same opinion as you.

lol alright lol I don't have to pimp the Bell's out their product speaks for itself

go read what Nelson has to say about the GREATEST SOAP of all time

http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/The+Nelson...n_NB.htm?isfa=1

The Bell soaps are the only shows to increase ratings hmmmmm I wonder why lol

Total Viewers

1. Y&R 5,215,000 (+81,000/+128,000)

2. B&B 3,350,000 (+25,000/-318,000)

3. DAYS 2,768,000 (-99,000/+116,000)

4. GH 2,511,000 (-133,000/-507,000) *

5. AMC 2,510,000 (-203,000/-45,000)

6. ATWT 2,462,000 (-143,000/-353,000)

7. OLTL 2,401,000 (-287,000/-85,000)

8. GL 2,193,000 (-24,000/-252,000)

Household Rating

1. Y&R 3.7/12 (same/-.1)

2. B&B 2.4/8 (-.1/-.3) **

3. DAYS 2.0/7 (-.2/same)

4. AMC 1.9/6 (-.1/-.1)

4. GH 1.9/6 (-.1/-.4) *

6. OLTL 1.8/6 (-.2/-.2) *

6. ATWT 1.8/6 (-.1/-.3)

8. GL 1.6/5 (same/-.2)

Uh....and that's this week...and next week, other shows might increase while Y&R and B&B decrease...

These damn shows would probably stand a chance if they stopped trying to compete with one another, but that's just me.

Uh....and that's this week...and next week, other shows might increase while Y&R and B&B decrease...

And let's not forget, B&B only increased because it has a good lead-in, Y&R.

These damn shows would probably stand a chance if they stopped trying to compete with one another, but that's just me.

Exactly. If soaps did their own thing and stuck to their roots, they would be fine.

I often ask my friends and acquaintances about this, but more often than not the replies are mingled, unspecific and vague. Y&R must be one of the most idiosyncratic soaps and one very difficult to get into if you weren't a fan from the very beginning. (Even though it has been the most watched for ages by now...)

What are some of your reasons? The deadeningly slow pace, unsympathetic, uninteresting characters, the horrible dialogue...? Especially if you've tried to watch it several times, but always fail to become a regular viewer.

My reasons: The lead being Victor, the most boring character I have ever seen onscreen....having women fall at his feet for no reason that

I could ever see. Bell soaps tend to have at least one of this type of male: the ONE man at least 3 women at a time want or can't have.

The never ending triangles with these men...who are vapid, dull and have only their money going for them.

*On B&B for example, Ridge. When i was really into soaps, the Bell soaps would drag scenes and storylines out SO much that I could

literally figure everything out in 15 minutes and tune in 9 months and even years later to see that nothing much had changed in the story. The pacing was SOOOOOOOO slow. The rivalries remained the same, characters didn't evolve...Characterizations were plastic. It was plot centered, which is the kind of thing that tends to turn me off. I get attached to characters and their journeys...I like to see evolutions, movement, complexity. The Bell soaps, when I tried to watch them, had none of that.

When I was a teen in the 90's, I found Y&R to be "too slow" and "boring"......whenever my Grandfather watched it, I would watch a couple of scenes and there was just talk and nothing would happen. I always thought of as an "old people's show" because I rarely knew anyone my age who watched it. We were all watching DAYS and GH mostly.

As I got older, I became interested in tv/film production, so naturally Y&R peeked my interests. The show is just far superior in production than any other soap. I loved the sweeping cameras, the flower shots, the mirror shots, the natural wipes.....it was just beautiful to watch the show. (Sadly, they don't do as much camera movements anymore)

Now when I watch some old Y&R episodes, I love it. I "get" what they were doing and I appreciate the style now, something I couldn't do when I was younger. So yeah, I wish I started watching Y&R when I was in 7th grade hearing my teacher go on and on about Nick's trial and Matt Clarke. I missed out on a lot of good stuff in the 90's.

When I was a teen in the 90's, I found Y&R to be "too slow" and "boring"......whenever my Grandfather watched it, I would watch a couple of scenes and there was just talk and nothing would happen. I always thought of as an "old people's show" because I rarely knew anyone my age who watched it. We were all watching DAYS and GH mostly.

As I got older, I became interested in tv/film production, so naturally Y&R peeked my interests. The show is just far superior in production than any other soap. I loved the sweeping cameras, the flower shots, the mirror shots, the natural wipes.....it was just beautiful to watch the show. (Sadly, they don't do as much camera movements anymore)

Now when I watch some old Y&R episodes, I love it. I "get" what they were doing and I appreciate the style now, something I couldn't do when I was younger. So yeah, I wish I started watching Y&R when I was in 7th grade hearing my teacher go on and on about Nick's trial and Matt Clarke. I missed out on a lot of good stuff in the 90's.

I have a very similar history with Y&R. I think it's more the "adult" soap though. The drama is more involved with relationships and less involved in events than any other soap to me

yea I really involved with Y&R durring the Jack/Brad take over of Newman that was rivating tv pure Classic

Edited April 23, 200917 yr by Darlotto99

When I was a teen in the 90's, I found Y&R to be "too slow" and "boring"......whenever my Grandfather watched it, I would watch a couple of scenes and there was just talk and nothing would happen. I always thought of as an "old people's show" because I rarely knew anyone my age who watched it. We were all watching DAYS and GH mostly.

As I got older, I became interested in tv/film production, so naturally Y&R peeked my interests. The show is just far superior in production than any other soap. I loved the sweeping cameras, the flower shots, the mirror shots, the natural wipes.....it was just beautiful to watch the show. (Sadly, they don't do as much camera movements anymore)

Now when I watch some old Y&R episodes, I love it. I "get" what they were doing and I appreciate the style now, something I couldn't do when I was younger. So yeah, I wish I started watching Y&R when I was in 7th grade hearing my teacher go on and on about Nick's trial and Matt Clarke. I missed out on a lot of good stuff in the 90's.

Too funny. We felt about Y&R at exactly the opposite times- I loved the show from the ages of 10-25. Fo the same reasons you mentioned above. And I miss those sweeping camera angles SO MUCH. It made me want to be a camera operator!

I am ambivalent about the Victor character on Y&R.

He is so hateful,arrogant and self serving that I loathe him for the most part.

On the other hand,this IS the character-he is consistent and plays by his own rules-which is how a powerful,ruthless person would behave.

So,I guess it is good writing and clear characterization.

I get frustrated by how other charcters put up with him,but I guess in real life that might happen too.

How often do you read about those men,who seem to treat employees,associates and family like dirt,yet are still held in high esteem because of the power they wield?

More and more, Victor just resembles another Blake Carrington. You have to take the good and the bad with him. There is his side that will help out someone and the side that will destroy someone.