The Politics Thread

20 hours ago, Ms. Quartermaine said:

I do wish Hillary overrode her campaign though and let Bill advise on the rust belt... those are not all red states. But maybe part of it was what someone upthread said... people in those areas couldn't view her as both lady like and presidential... There are just too many factors to take into consideration. I thought her campaign was extraordinary, but clearly not good enough, but maybe it would have been good enough if the media hadn't normalized Trump... Her approval rating crashed soon after she announced her candidacy. I adore her, but she doesn't have the gift of riling people up, so that could have hurt as well... Comey sure didn't help. Like I said, too much to consider.

 

Rust state (MI WI PA OH) voters hate the TPP. Obama pushed it and Hillary flip flopped on the issue. Meanwhile, Trump was against the TPP all along. If Trump keeps his word and refuses to sign the TPP, the rust state voters will reelect him. If he flip flops, then they won't.

Edited November 15, 20169 yr by GregNYC

15 minutes ago, GregNYC said:

 

Rust state (MI WI PA OH) voters hate the TPP. Obama pushed it and Hillary flip flopped on the issue. Meanwhile, Trump was against the TPP all along. If Trump keeps his word and refuses to sign the TPP, the rust state voters will reelect him. If he flip flops, then they won't.

 

The TPP is dead. Without sharing too much, my workplace - a right wing hellhole - was jonesing for it. It would've meant millions because we've got offices in a lot of TPP countries and we've been right in the thick of trying to get this passed. It's dead and they're losing it. It's been one of the few bright spots of this whole thing.

@Ms. Quartermaine  This article made me think of you, especially the first paragraph. You are definitely not alone in having a hard time accepting this election.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/of-feminists-and-nazis/

Trump isn't going to kill trade, because he's an outsourcer himself. Anyone who believes that he will do it is an idiot and will get what they deserve when the economy collapses once again from other bad decisions he's bound to make.

2 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

 Anyone who believes that he will do it is an idiot and will get what they deserve when the economy collapses once again from other bad decisions he's bound to make.

Yup, considering what Obama said that Trump had no clue what he got himself into. He has no clue how to run the USA.

Obama's conference call with supporters yesterday. This is incredible and very important. pic.twitter.com/IuDU7Usq9w

— Boycott Trump SCION (@puppymnkey) November 15, 2016

 

This may cheer some up.

Edited November 15, 20169 yr by DramatistDreamer

1 minute ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

 

 

This may cheer some up.

 

 

Actually it just makes me cry. He and Michelle have given us enough. They deserved to be able to step back and enjoy. To work on their foundation and travel. Maybe make a few guest appearances on SNL. Not to try to shepherd this country full of f*ckwits through our slow motion suicide.

Welp, little discussed but here's another view on why HRC may have lost.

 

 

Hilary Clinton spent a lot of time challenging white people on their racism. That was how she lost the "white working class" vote.

— Terrell J. Starr (@Russian_Starr) November 15, 2016

2 hours ago, GregNYC said:

 

Rust state (MI WI PA OH) voters hate the TPP. Obama pushed it and Hillary flip flopped on the issue. Meanwhile, Trump was against the TPP all along. If Trump keeps his word and refuses to sign the TPP, the rust state voters will reelect him. If he flip flops, then they won't.

Well I've been told these people want jobs right. On paper this is great but not signing another trade deal or even repealing NAFTA(and NAFTA has some benefits) isn't going to magically bring all those coal, steel, and manufacturing jobs back. I feel bad for these people because no one not even Bernie had an answer to where are our jobs coming from. Trump plain lied to them. Jobs that have been moved to right to work states in the south for lower wages, have moved to China or Mexico are not coming back. Nor are the 60% of the Mftg jobs coming back that were lost to Robotics and Automation. And GM just announced a plant closure that's going to cost Ohio and Penn 2,000 jobs. And tariffs always sound so great until people see the costs are passed onto them the consumer.

5 hours ago, dragonflies said:

The mom who posed in the picture with Hillary when she was out for a walk with her kid(Hillary with Bill and their dog) is now getting death threat's

Why? She did nothing wrong 

 

 

 

Hypocrite much

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/mike-pence-email-lawsuit/

Edited November 15, 20169 yr by cassadine1991

1 hour ago, ReddFoxx said:

Trump isn't going to kill trade, because he's an outsourcer himself. Anyone who believes that he will do it is an idiot and will get what they deserve when the economy collapses once again from other bad decisions he's bound to make.

 

Exactly.

1 hour ago, marceline said:

Actually it just makes me cry. He and Michelle have given us enough. They deserved to be able to step back and enjoy. To work on their foundation and travel. Maybe make a few guest appearances on SNL. Not to try to shepherd this country full of f*ckwits through our slow motion suicide.

 

On the other hand, this might be an opportunity for the Obamas to prove to critics such as yours truly that they are worthy of all the adoration and acclaim that they have received from constituents these past eight years.  Very much like Jimmy Carter, who, IMO, has been a much better humanitarian than president.

32 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Well I've been told these people want jobs right. On paper this is great but not signing another trade deal or even repealing NAFTA(and NAFTA has some benefits) isn't going to magically bring all those coal, steel, and manufacturing jobs back. I feel bad for these people because no one not even Bernie had an answer to where are our jobs coming from. Trump plain lied to them. Jobs that have been moved to right to work states in the south for lower wages, have moved to China or Mexico are not coming back. Nor are the 60% of the Mftg jobs coming back that were lost to Robotics and Automation. And GM just announced a plant closure that's going to cost Ohio and Penn 2,000 jobs. And tariffs always sound so great until people see the costs are passed onto them the consumer.

 

I would say that, in the next four to eight years, the "white working class" who voted for Trump will realize (gradually, and reluctantly) that this country IS passing them by and that no amount of "change" promised from inside or outside Washington will do anything to fix that.

Edited November 15, 20169 yr by Khan

BREAKING: Official: Mayor of W. Va. town resigns in fallout from racist Facebook post about first lady Michelle Obama.

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 15, 2016

39 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

 

 

I would say that, in the next four to eight years, the "white working class" who voted for Trump will realize (gradually, and reluctantly) that this country IS passing them by and that no amount of "change" promised from inside or outside Washington will do anything to fix that.

It will be a rude awakening for them.

The narrative just keeps changing.

Clinton's weakness among college-educated whites hasn't received much attention, but seems relevant https://t.co/4siH44hAop

— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) November 15, 2016

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Good. Racist b*tch needs to exit stage left.  She should've never spoke ill will against Michelle Obama. 

Edited November 16, 20169 yr by Nothin'ButAttitude