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Wouldn't Jill of been kind of an Abby? Came from working class roots, married, schemed and also had business acumen to become successful...and was a single mom?

I'm late for the party. Jen: seems fun to hang with..wouldn't want to be married to her nor work for her. Heather: Hot mess, but in a fun way. Lisa: A snob that likes Taco Bell. Although I thought all of them in the car spending time together as they got fast food would count as quality time. Meredith: marriage issues galore. Her son seems to be her surrogate spouse. Even so, not the oddest vibe on the show. Mary: Blunt like Sheree from rhoa with an odd dress sense like Kim Richard's. Her and her step grandpa makes Meredith and her son's interactions seem conventional. Whitney: Seems sweet so far. Interesting backstory. Will see what future episodes bring.

Marland wrote Lucinda as the bad guy..the heavy especially when it came to Lily/Holden..and later Duke.

The first 69 episodes basically dealt with rich girl Miriam spreading rumors about goody goody Lori. Miriam becomes the breakout character...imho

If lizzie's appearance this season was an audition..she failed. Alexis, I'd be happy to see back even if part time. She has a new man, plus her children were adorable. Tamra needs to sit out for another season. If they ask her back so soon, she'll get a Nene sized ego..and that won't be pretty. Kelly and Brownie need to go. What I like about the OC is that they add and subtract cast members every season. I wish NJ and Potomac would do that a bit more.

Matt was going to be a love interest for Harley...I assume Robert N had already let the show know he was leaving. I would have been fun with Reva comforting Marah if it were a dream. I always say you can tell what parts were Pam Long..what parts were Curlee..as 1991 continues.

RHOC: All I can say is I'm waiting for the reunion.

The last few months of Search seemed to have a nice focus and tone. Stu/Jo got renewed focus and they were a huge part of the Ella Hobbs story ( a good against type performance by Ann Flood). So when the show ended, it was in a good place (last scene was a perfect ending for the show). Walsh/Long couldn't have the show, but they ended the show with dignity unlike ATWT or GL

I'm not sure, tbh. I think the one that's authentic, has a story to tell outside the group is who I would keep. Or I would down grade both to friend status so we can see them at events...and neither would be required to be there all the time. If both stay on...it'll be a rinse lather and repeat situation (the show is close to it already with the predictable antics of Karen, Giselle, etc.) After Porsha and Kenya's season 6 reunion behavior on rhoa, I wanted both downgraded..because I feared a rinse, lather and repeat situation would happen...and now in season 13..it's the same thing with them both. Rhoc had that with Tamra/Gretchen...Vicki/tamra/shannon....and now with Shannon/kelly. Sometimes you have to break the cycle up. rhod had that with Leeanne for 4 seasons...now I'm excited for season 5 to see how her departure will change the landscape of the show.

I hate we've become an either or type of bias. Giselle is toxic, but so is Karen (Robyn is right...name fits). I think either Monique or Candice needs to go. If this is a reality show, we need a bit of reality...and both staying isn't the right way. RHOM, Alexia had a lot of focus in season 3...but due to personal things with both sons..it's understandable why she wasn't the lead story in season 3. Adriana and Joanna were both toxic women..and neither should have been leads. Season 3 was destined to be a letdown after the highs of season 2...no matter who was the focus.

I thought Marcia and Michael were good panelists...and Alan didn't talk too much. I did like Marcia's answer when Alan asked if she'd go back in daytime. Basically no soaps in the East Coast and writers not writing for women of a certain age. Maybe time for Alan to hand the reigns over to someone else. How could he not know about the live episode. Lack of good research.

I noticed Duke had the same attitude toward Lily (princess) that Holden did. Was the show testing them before Martha decided to quit?

I saw some late 1985 episodes and I was surprised at how subdued and cold Emma was. She seemed like a long suffering widow holding down the farm while angry at Iva for running away and breaking her father's heart. I wish Marland kept some of that grit for Emma instead of making her a perky mama when that was all light and rainbows.

I recall Bill Bell stating when he broke up Victor and Nikki in the late 80s..that he wouldn't reunite them unless he knew they were going to stay together. He said reuniting and breaking up constantly diminishes a couple...and he was so right. Was he the one to have Victor marry Nikki in 1998 on her death bed..causing her to pull through..or was that Alden?

So OC ratings are down so far...and while I think Vicki/Tamra not being there is a small part of it...it isn't the main reason. I think Kelly is the reason ratings are down due to her comments and just overall toxic behavior. I did like Gina saying people should just fast forward Kelly's parts when she was asked about it. I do wonder if the show is renewed for season 16..would the show cut Kelly? Ratings are down.and fans have said they're boycotting because of her. As I've said before, Tamra is missing and it is noticable. I think she and newbie Elizabeth would hit it off..imho. Plus, I'm intrigued with Shannon and Tamra's falling out..since it appears at the start of filming they were still talking.

The fact everyone shares that view will ensure a season 6 pick up for her....sad but true

I would say 1992 was the end of the 80s golden age era...and the start of the next era which spanned till the late 90s/early 2000s.

Early Iva had more spirit...but like Marland's writing starting to become more somber..so did Iva's character. One thing I did like about Marland was that he continued the elements put there by Bledsoe (Lily and Shannon's bond, Lucinda/Craig/Sierra, Sierra's common sense approach to Lily and Lucinda's conflicts).

Early Marland had an energy that peetered out by 1987/1988. I noticed on GL and ATWT, he successfully maintained the tone set forth by his predecessors..but overtime the tone changed. With ATWT, Bledsoe had a slightly quirky energy in her writing (I've seen interviews with her..and she reminds me of Shannon on ATWT)...which Marland maintained. Problem was he lost the ability to balance the darker tone with the energy of his early tenure. Labine had that issue at GH after awhile as well.

Wow..one of the rare times Robyn thinks for herself. If Gizelle was a true friend, she would welcome honest feedback from her bestie.

Maybe Julia is kind of bitter over how she was treated? Just a theory

I don't like Brownie...she isn't fun nor enjoyable to hate. She's just draining to watch. Tamra was a backstabber, but she owned it. Yet, she was also fun to watch. Plus, her family scenes humanized her (my late mom remarked when Tamra had her 1st grandchild..she was almost human..not a disciple of Satan).

Kandi is not one to mess with....though both Kenya and Kandi would make a fun feud:) RHOC Can we trade Brownie for Tamra?

Hopefully the stars will take the lead like on some of the telecasts.

So I watched some clips of Potomac..and I'm wondering if maybe Kyle/Teddi should have watched Gizelle/Robyn and taken notes. Two messy women that stir the pot, yet are entertaining in their capers. Also, Robyn is striking.