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And Stephanie deserved it.

Lu and Sonja have been there for years..have each provided memorable content , stirred drama and have earned their checks. Leah has had 1 season under her belt and thinks she's entitled to a big raise? Um...no.. Tinsley carried the 1st half of the season quite nicely while Ramona/Dorinda handled the second half.

Ugh...was this recast of MJ accepted? I certainly wouldn't have accepted her...she seems ditzy and needy... Wow...Kim Zimmer before she started chewing scenery. She's pretty good as Nola.

the 1st 2 episodes of Loving didn't have Marland's trademark stilted dialogue. It actually flowed and there was some energy on the show as well. I wonder if Nixon had a hand in micro managing the scripts and that's why it didn't have Marland's usual flaws in his day to day episodes?

The Donovan's seemed nice with a matriarch that wasnt perky or annoying (like Bea Reardon and Emma Snyder). For people that viewed the soap back in the day, were Jack and Stacy always meant to be end game..or was the plan Jack/lily with Stacy meant for a future character?

I didn't mind the lack of interaction because it's realistic. Some soaps (like ATWT in the Marland era) had too much interaction. On the one hand, when characters did end up interacting..it was a welcome surprise and would led to new stories. I was pleasantly surprised when Annie and Caitlin started interacting...and it led to some good storylines with Annie/Gregory/Olivia. And Sean Kanan's character came on in the last few months..and was tested with Sara, Caitlin, and Annie..and had scenes with Casey/Cole. So it seemed like the show was starting to correct it. On the other hand, I do wish Virginia had been allowed to mix it up with other characters. She had some interaction with Gabi and Casey..but she was islanded off by herself unless it was with Michael and Vanessa. And I think bringing Maria back helped with bridging the gap since she was friends with Annie, married to Ben, was related to Ricardo/Antonio, knew the Richards, etc.

LVP.and family need to ditch California and move on over to Texas when this is over to start over. Less rules, semi lower costs, and OTT fashions at a lower cost

A pre Victor Nikki...I wish more episodes of that era were shown.

Couldn't she say up outdoor seating and patios for her places...or is that a no no in LA?

The 1st year of any soap has a lot of changes because you have no idea what will work and not work. Odd that they got rid of Paula's mom..when she could have been the local advice giver..plus with all the Cole/Olivia drama..would have been interesting to see her take of her long time friend hooking up with her long lost son. I could see why Paula and tiffany were written off, plus Eddie..but killing off Mark never made sense since he and Gabi were good together...and a Ricardo/Gabi/Mark triangle would have worked..with Gabi torn between them.

It's possible Kay might have come on as a customer in Nov 1973..but maybe she became more than just a bit player in early 1974. So Jill had a bf in the early months of the show and a life pre Philip and Katherine?

So Sheri Anderson (hired in Feb 1988) was only a short term hire until Lemay was available? She wrote for a month or two before the strike.happened.

I always loved someone playing the matriarch game..but I love the designated patriarch roles you assigned to the men @Mitch Do you guys think Eve/Ed was always planned..or do you think the actors having chemistry made the writers opt to pair them? And Rachel Miner so could have played the wild uninhibited abandon of Michelle. She lost the only mom she ever knew (Maureen) and then her future step mom that she grew to like (Eve) within a few years time. Heck, I think 1995/6 would have been the time to bring Claire back. Maybe playing a tug of war with Claire over Michelle might have enticed Peter Simon to remain instead of quit. Who knows

RHOBH: Denise booked Bold & the Beautiful, plus whatever new show she is filming right now.. based on the Housewives. She actually hustled herself new acting jobs based on her two season stint on the housewives. Sadly, being on the show meant a dissolution of her 20 + year friendship with Rinna.. but that could be for the best. Garcelle should not return because she got the first season glory edit.. and now that she's going to be co-host of the Real... no need for her to continue on the housewives. Season 2 for her would have had the Coven target her.. and I think Garcelle doesn't need to lower herself to fight with them. While the Coven plots... both Denise/Garcelle have used the show for exposure with new jobs... and both leaving would be best for their long term professional futures. RHOC: An optimistic part of me thinks maybe season 15 will provide Kelly with the evil edit based on our remarks, not taking Covid seriously, etc... People are already not liking her from the trailer.. so I can only imagine what they will think once the season starts next month. RHONY: Dorinda: Classic signs of an alcoholic.... Anger, not holding her liquor, deflection, and denial. Bye Dorinda.. you won't be missed.

Yeah, Jason Frame was bought on during Depriests tenure. He had ties to Reginald and Mary..while he had some creepy scenes with Nicole. Once Depriest left and the strike started...the Jason/Mary..and Jason/Nicole stuff were dropped. Having Nicole be the killer of Jason was a good choice given the weird vibe/interest he had in her in his early days. Do you think had Mac not passed..that Iris and Rachel would have been stuck in the hamster wheel of competing for Mac's attention? His death actually evolved their relationship..and freed both Rachel and Iris to go in different directions..imho

Hmmm https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/denise-richards-leaving-real-housewives-225355126.html

Some good panelists at last

Salt Lake City looks interesting and it sets itself apart enough to have it's own identity

If you're talking Cady...it makes sense because without Tad on the show, the show had to write for her. She got to play a mother's guilt, forgiving Billy Clyde Tuggle (great scene), and she had chemistry with that doctor that had a secret from the past.

Holy 80s flashback

Caroline seemed like she was created for a specific purpose..yet it never became apparent to the audience. I wonder if she was meant for the Mac story that had to be rewritten when the actor passed suddenly? She was an art dealer..maybe she was supposed to play a part in the Red Swan story?

I think Molly reunited with her parents and baby at Danny's concert. She and Nina were supposed to only be around for the summer social issue story that featured princess Cricket as the star...yet fans liked Nina so she reappeared later in the fall.

I watched the OC's early season reunions...vastly different and fun. Only one episode and little to no fighting (Tamra was on her best behavior in the season 3 behavior).

I heard that the show was planning to kill Beth off again with an illness...but when Aleksander quit...the show married them off

I'm wondering if BD made a bad acting choice because pre Jill's divorce settlement...BD played Jill as cold, a little campy, but also with a bit of vulnerability (when she called Phillip at Christmas 1984 and he didn't want to come home..you felt for her). However, once Jill divorced John and was at Jabot, her acting changed. Wasn't it said that she was getting conflicting notes from Bell and producers on how to play Jill? Bell wanted her to play Jill one way while producers there wanted her to be OTT? Maybe she was trying to play Jill in a way that would satisfy both sides..and it came off badly? Also, I'm wondering had BD kept playing Jill...I have a feeling she would have been exactly like Kay...a lonely woman with all the money in the world? I know that she instantly didn't like Nina because she saw herself in her (i.em buttering her up, ulterior motive,etc). I truly think the Jill/ Nina story would have been different had she remained...imho