Shelly, Jean and Jill have the last laughs. All three of them easily make over a million dollars a year. How much does Vee make for bitching about them? Ad nauseum?

Are they still going to make that once Y&R get cancel? Their ratings aren't all that good.

See, now I feel like you're unfairly neglecting all the other posters on the board who actually do critique Y&R on a regular basis, as opposed to me, who posts about it maybe twice every four or five months. There's so many other people you could condemn for inadequate fealty to Jill and the girls. I'm just a cheap, hollow stunt Y&R poster at best! Dead inside!

Edited May 10, 201411 yr by Vee

Wait? What? Huh?!!! No....

Let's take a breather and rethink this.

+1

What was the main difference between Alden and Bell anyway? How easy was the transition? She was with him for 30 years so I would expect she was good or at least the only person who can bring it to his standard since she was with him virtually when the show started.

The transition was perfect. She co-headwrote with Bell for several months so they slowly made the change. There was no jarring change of pace, tone, style (minor ones, yes).

Bell's Y&R was better, more brilliant, that's for sure, but Alden's Y&R was superb for a long, long time (before cast exits, network interference, co-headwriters and executive producer problems messed with it). In fact, I'm willing to bet that most people bitching about how Alden wasn't good and she was boring and Bell was brilliant!!!11!! couldn't even pinpoint which material was Alden's and which was Bell's if they didn't have the info of when she started. It was that smooth. Case in point, I had no idea there had been a change of writers when I was watching, until I started paying attention to the credits.

Nick is a hero, and it didn’t seem right for him to be drawn more and more towards her while she was holding this enormous secret that affected him so deeply.

But it's okay for Nick to lie for 18 years. Gotcha.

OH. MY. GOD. A Soraya Montenegro gif. #DEAD.

I wonder what were the airdates Alden officially become co-HW with Bill Bell and later solo HW?

Edited May 10, 201411 yr by cassadine1991

There's Vee! Adding nothing, as usual. Collecting. At least Shelly Altman, Jean Passanante and Jill Farren Phelps are working women earning huge bucks. Some people wouldn't know what it is like to have a job. I highly respect all of the WORKING women behind the scenes of Y&R.

+1

The transition was perfect. She co-headwrote with Bell for several months so they slowly made the change. There was no jarring change of pace, tone, style (minor ones, yes).

Could you elaborate on the minor changes during transition? How long did she maintain the same tone/pace/style? Also, around what year did Y&R go down with her in command?

Sorry, it is hard for me to wrap my head around how shows like Y&R/B&B/DOOL are for the most part privately owned yet they went downhill like the rest. It makes sense that the ABC shows did as they are network owned. I guess it is more of a "do what I say or we wont renew!" situation?

Oh, how bad or good is Sony when it comes to the shows?

OH. MY. GOD. A Soraya Montenegro gif. #DEAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFFNUAhy4A

Edited May 10, 201411 yr by full hearts

There's Vee! Adding nothing, as usual. Collecting. At least Shelly Altman, Jean Passanante and Jill Farren Phelps are working women earning huge bucks. Some people wouldn't know what it is like to have a job. I highly respect all of the WORKING women behind the scenes of Y&R.

Look, I realize I am the very last person to say anything on the subject, but if Vee is causing you this much grief on the boards, do what I've learned to and ignore him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFFNUAhy4A

I DEMAND that someone translates!!

Nick is a hero, and it didn’t seem right for him to be drawn more and more towards her while she was holding this enormous secret that affected him so deeply.

But it's okay for Nick to lie for 18 years. Gotcha.

I feel like they don't know any of these characters.

I'm happy to see these women have jobs, but how about doing them and entertaining us, rather than putting us to sleep. Their newer characters are all bland, and they relegate their vets to a day, maybe 2 a week[Jill, Nikki, Paul, Devon, Christine, and Lauren]. Dullan and Avery[the dazzling Jessica Collins...wasted in this blah role], Victoria, Chelsea[who seems to be on every f***ing day]. Now they want to rush a new Phyllis and Adam to the screen, two characters that need to be benched for at least another year.

Jean P is a terrible writer; poison to the shows she has been on.

Comparing William J. Bell's Y&R to her version is akin to watching Masterpiece Theatre's Upstairs Downstairs turn into Dukes of Hazzard...but without John Schneider's sexy jeans to provide even a modicum of interest.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFFNUAhy4A

LOL. I remember María del Barrio.

LOL. I remember María del Barrio.

That was the telenovela with Thalia wasn't it?

Edited May 10, 201411 yr by cassadine1991

That was the telenovela with Thalia wasn't it?

Yup. Came on in the 1990s.

Probably the first telenovela I ever watched, so for me, it was before I would begin to see that whole-girl-from-the-barrio-gets-transformed-and-gets-son of the wealthy boss-to-fall-in-love & marry her premise would soon be a cliché.