But does a talk/game show before OLTL do anything to help OLTL? Or if they slid OLTL to AMC's spot, and put two shows after GH, does that do anything really? I'm just trying to understand besides saving money, if canceling either show really does anything to help the other two. Unless they took that money and put it into the surviving show, it's only going to cause more damage. Not to knock OLTL, but I don't know that I buy even with more budget, it has the power to survive with just GH. I don't know if I believe AMC has the power to survive with just GH, either. LOL

Has the loss of GL and ATWT done anything for CBS?

ETA: I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but could it FINALLY be Frons getting the boot?

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by Kylie

CBS carries Oprah in my area, the Chicago ABC affilate I got when I was at school carried Oprah but at 9am (and sometimes 11pm). The article does talk about affilates needing a replacement for Oprah. ABC could be just producing a talk show to be carried in syndication.

Oprah's so go-darn popular here that they've aired a second showing of it at 11:05pm for years. They do the same thing in Madison, WI and probably other cities too.

CBS now has shows which cost less money, so they would probably say it was a plus. Last I heard, LMAD was lower in ratings and demos than GL, and probably doesn't cost that much less, so in the end I wonder how much they are really saving - I guess there's the whole thing of CBS not owning those two soaps, whereas ABC owns theirs.

Kylie, we both know that if anything like that were to happen the skies would already be raining blood.

As per AMC, the word has been for some time that they couldn't beg anyone to come take over the HW gig. No one wanted it, the show had the stench of death.

Oh please, that's just ridiculous. Do you honestly think someone is going to turn down a HW job that pays well into the six figures because the show "has the stench of death." The truth is that most soap writers have been around the block and that they probably find all these shows interchangeable. If they didn't want a job with any of these shows, it would most likely be because they don't want to be micromanaged. Especially in this economy and with the ever-diminishing number of soap writing gigs, I don't see a prospective HW turning down an offer to write for any show, unless again, they don't want to put up with micromanagement.

Actually it's more about Frons interference, no on wants to be micromanaged by him, makes all kinds of sense. I'd sure turn down the gig if it meant not being able to write without 24/7 inteference. It's almost like Frons is HW and the HW's are just for show

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by dragonflies

Oh please, that's just ridiculous. Do you honestly think someone is going to turn down a HW job that pays well into the six figures because the show "has the stench of death."

I do. Look who we got.

The truth is that most soap writers have been around the block and that they probably find all these shows interchangeable. If they didn't want a job with any of these shows, it would most likely be because they don't want to be micromanaged.

Yes, because as we know the soap opera head writer is the last bastion of creative primacy and discerning taste. The writer always gets fucked, but the soap writer gets fucked first, and that's the way it's been with increasing intensity since the 1970s. These people are used to a degree of creative meddling.

Especially in this economy and with the ever-diminishing number of soap writing gigs, I don't see a prospective HW turning down an offer to write for any show, unless again, they don't want to put up with micromanagement.

It's a combination of factors: Micromanagement, and the fact that this show is clearly going down.

Barbara Walters is going to end up a soap killer.

I so do not want to see her come out as any sort of victor in this. When she and the ladies of The View were on Oprah the other week, I couldn't help but think about last year's scuttlebutt re: The View nabbing Oprah's timeslot in some markets and how if that is still even remotely a possibility, BW was relishing in that "introductory" appearance on O.

And then a MALE View on top of that? Lord keep me day by day...

Only Iyanla Vanzant knows the true depths of Barbara Walters' treachery!

Don't know how true is it, but from what was said, it was costing ABC to air the repeats on Soapnet, cause they have to pay actors who appeared in those episodes

I had seen that it may have been because of the advertisers not wanting to pay the same amount for repeats (lower rated) as they did for original episodes which would make sense. ABC would lose advertising dollars for the repeat shows.

It's almost like Frons is HW and the HW's are just for show.

This. And why bother with a job grinding out 200+ episodes of dramatic sausage a year with no budget and hit or miss talent when you can't even tell your own stories?

This. And why bother with a job grinding out 200+ episodes of dramatic sausage a year with no budget and hit or miss talent when you can't even tell your own stories?

THIS! So I believe it when it was reported no one wanted the HW job at AMC, cause of Frons' interference. Who wants to write for a show when you can't as you said "tell your own stories"? IMO it's not worth the hassle or stress

Only Iyanla Vanzant knows the true depths of Barbara Walters' treachery!

"I didn't even have a office."

Is it the "anointed time" or "appointed time" for Tori Spelling?

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by Jonathan

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if this is right, and if it is, if a soap is really getting the axe. I don't really see the loss of either show doing much to benefit the two remaining, especially because I don't see the money from the canceled show going to the benefit of either of the remaining two.

Is it to far fetched to think that they may just reshuffle AMC and OLTL? Let AMC lead into GH. Dunno. It could be a lot of things.

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by Kylie