42 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Had it been written in 1987, it might have been more excusable but in 1997, just seems especially embarrassing. I thought 'School Daze' already covered this in the satirical context in which it deserved? The actresses did their best with the material they were given to work but sadly, each actresses got pulled into some of the worst, most stereotypical storylines ever written on the show (let's not forget Bonnie being involved in the Marshall Travers rape storyline as well as that stupid castle swordfight story with Billy.

 

Anything consisting to Marshall Travers was a travesty given that he was one of the best characters the show had in a LONG time. I hate that the show wrote him so stupid, but at least Lamman Rucker went on to have a great career. 

9 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Anything consisting to Marshall Travers was a travesty given that he was one of the best characters the show had in a LONG time. I hate that the show wrote him so stupid, but at least Lamman Rucker went on to have a great career. 

 

Credit to Rucker. He kept pressing on to the next project. It was the show's loss.

15 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

While I can tip my hate somewhat to these shows trying to diversify in the 90s, I still can't get over how atrocious the writing was at the same time too. It just remains to be a constant reminder why soaps are so antiquated now. Look at them now even. Still using Black and Brown characters as window dressing; meanwhile, primetime, streaming platforms, and finally film are starting to realize the power of diversity. 

Did the show having any black writers or people of color on the show at that time? Not that they should be put into a box and only write for the black characters, but at least someone could have run the ideas by them.  I remember when Nancy Hughes was trying to teach a girl to read by using rap music. It made good use of history as she was a teacher and I know what they were trying to do..but even to my white college boy mentality it was kind of..squirmy...(why was it black character the one to not be able to read...there was no push and pull between Nancy and the character, the teen treated Nancy like everyone else on the show did at the time...) It would have been interesting to see Nancy deal with her own white privilege before there was even a term for it.

4 hours ago, Mitch said:

Did the show having any black writers or people of color on the show at that time? Not that they should be put into a box and only write for the black characters, but at least someone could have run the ideas by them.  I remember when Nancy Hughes was trying to teach a girl to read by using rap music. It made good use of history as she was a teacher and I know what they were trying to do..but even to my white college boy mentality it was kind of..squirmy...(why was it black character the one to not be able to read...there was no push and pull between Nancy and the character, the teen treated Nancy like everyone else on the show did at the time...) It would have been interesting to see Nancy deal with her own white privilege before there was even a term for it.

Wasn't she the Lauryn Hill character Kira? 

While skimming through some research material, I decided to use my university access to various databases for something useful. Soap Operas, haha

 

I came across this and think it might be worth reading. It is a long dissertation done on As the World Turns which covers the years 1956 - 1978. I have only skimmed through, but it discusses the creation of the show, the various actors, stories, production and has interviews with producers and cast members. The woman who wrote this seemed to have unprecendented access to various materials and people from the show. 

 

It is a very, very long read, but hopefully there is something here you can enjoy and information you might like. 

 

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8 hours ago, Mitch said:

Did the show having any black writers or people of color on the show at that time? Not that they should be put into a box and only write for the black characters, but at least someone could have run the ideas by them.  I remember when Nancy Hughes was trying to teach a girl to read by using rap music. It made good use of history as she was a teacher and I know what they were trying to do..but even to my white college boy mentality it was kind of..squirmy...(why was it black character the one to not be able to read...there was no push and pull between Nancy and the character, the teen treated Nancy like everyone else on the show did at the time...) It would have been interesting to see Nancy deal with her own white privilege before there was even a term for it.

 

Only Black writers I can remember being on this show were Judy Tate and Susan Dansby. I don't see either of them green-lighting/pitching something like this. At least I hope they didn't. 

34 minutes ago, will81 said:

While skimming through some research material, I decided to use my university access to various databases for something useful. Soap Operas, haha

 

I came across this and think it might be worth reading. It is a long dissertation done on As the World Turns which covers the years 1956 - 1978. I have only skimmed through, but it discusses the creation of the show, the various actors, stories, production and has interviews with producers and cast members. The woman who wrote this seemed to have unprecendented access to various materials and people from the show. 

 

It is a very, very long read, but hopefully there is something here you can enjoy and information you might like. 

 

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The attachment is unavailable.It sounds fantastic so i hope we will be access it.

10 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

The attachment is unavailable.It sounds fantastic so i hope we will be access it.

No worries I will sort it

21 minutes ago, will81 said:

No worries I will sort it

 

Is there something I should be aware of? Did you encounter any issues when uploading your file? I just want to be sure that our settings aren't impacting your ability to upload documents/files. Let me know.

2 minutes ago, Errol said:

 

Is there something I should be aware of? Did you encounter any issues when uploading your file? I just want to be sure that our settings aren't impacting your ability to upload documents/files. Let me know.

No issues,everything was fine and I even tested it by downloading it myself. Not entirely sure what the issue was.

1 minute ago, will81 said:

No issues,everything was fine and I even tested it by downloading it myself. Not entirely sure what the issue was.

Okay. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Just now, Errol said:

Okay. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Thank you, will do

So I have settled on uploading to mega. Here is the link, it is only 9MB and is a pdf. I did some screenshots for those who want to try before you buy see below. Let me know if there are any issues with the link

 

https://mega.nz/file/4M8SGKCS#OXwtNNhY8zWkuGksd4qB2ikpvStWr-pm-CcXna2wFYU

 

The whole thing is around 200 pages long, so enjoy. Hopefully it was worth reading

I was able to download and start reading too much to unpack right now, but thanks.

On 11/15/2020 at 6:05 PM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Was it you or @P.J. that said that Denise used to call Camille "high yella?" I remember bits and pieces of that era, but what stuck out mainly with me was that they wrote the obvious trope for Black women--light-skinned Camille being nice, educated, a doormat basically. Meanwhile, Denise, being of a darker hue, being angry, uneducated, etc. That irked the sh-t out of me seeing as once again they failed us Black viewers by providing us with real complex characters. 

 

Nope, not me. As a square white girl---I'd have to look that up in an urban dictionary.

 

Re: LIz....I could understand if she had been exasperated with Marland writing her as the heavy, while Lily made her jump through hoops for her love after discovering the down-to-earth, poor and noble Snyders. Admittedly, I didn't listen to her comments, but the almost obsessive way Marland wrote the town of Oakdale worshipping Lily, might have grated Liz to no end. Not to mention some others.

Brief clips from an episode...and look, @Mitchit features your two favorite character groups of this era. 

 

 

I wonder if the actors ever got tired of some of these songs. I think that is the second or third time I've heard that song.

Edited November 17, 20205 yr by DRW50