I thought I'd open since it's been a week. It still doesn't seem real.

2 hours ago, j swift said:

To be fair, it was entirely within character to be in a relationship with unsavory men who made big promises, but were unappreciative of all of things that Lisa had to offer.  She had guys disappear, she married the mob, and then she believed John Dixon's lies, and finally got caught up with Martin Chedwyn.  So, she was never very good at picking the right kind of guy.

Even though she already had money, Whit brought with him a very nice house, somewhat loyal staff, and a newspaper.  From her time at the bookstore, Lisa displayed a love of reading, and writers.  So, perhaps the thought of a career in print media was appealing?

Yeah, but all those guys had some redeeming qualities except for Martin (but he was pretending to be somebody he wasn't).  I just never saw Whit's redeeming qualities. Every time I saw him, he just seemed like an abusive blowhard and never pretended to be anything different. 

Was there a scene when Whit and Co moved into the mansion or bought the newspaper? 

I read that his introduction was mistaking Margo for Lisa and making a pass at her in her sleep.  But, he seemed so established in Oakdale, with an old mansion full of stuff and a housekeeper, that I wondered if there was an establishing scene when he purchased all of the stuff?

3 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Well, she did once (Bob) but was too selfish then and let him get away.

Which she regretted letting him get away the rest of her life

I never understood why Kim and Lisa didn't have a stronger rivalry over Bob.

1 hour ago, j swift said:

Was there a scene when Whit and Co moved into the mansion or bought the newspaper? 

I read that his introduction was mistaking Margo for Lisa and making a pass at her in her sleep.  But, he seemed so established in Oakdale, with an old mansion full of stuff and a housekeeper, that I wondered if there was an establishing scene when he purchased all of the stuff?

No one knew that Lisa married...it came after Fulton's three month leave she took during those contract cycles. Lisa appeared and first scene got into a fight with ole Johnny Boy, was at the hospital talking to people etc. There was a rapist who was targeting Lisa's neighborhood and Margo wanted to be a decoy in her house...(how the rapist would just happen to pick Lisa's house when Margo was hiding???) Margo was hiding in her bed when we saw a guy come in and climb into the bed and Margo punched him out...we go to the hospital with Tom and Margo telling Lisa they caught the guy and he is getting his head bandaged and Lisa barged into confront him and then..."That's my HUSBAND"! Which is the first time the audience or characters knew who he was. (it was the Dobsons and they thought it was exciting and funny..)  They lived in Lisa's house while they were building the mansion..."In the cliffs overlooking the town" (uh, first we heard of it and there are no large cliffs in the midwest..) but the Fulton left and it took them a few months to cast BVF and I think that summer they had a party for opening the house.

2 hours ago, Mitch said:

the mansion..."In the cliffs overlooking the town" (uh, first we heard of it and there are no large cliffs in the midwest..)

Did anyone occupy that set after the McColl's hightailed it to parts unknown?

2 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

I never understood why Kim and Lisa didn't have a stronger rivalry over Bob.

Well Kim was always aware of Lisa’s feelings toward Bob. I think friendship overrode things going further 

Well my Astros beat Lucas Giolito today. I kept looking for Lindsay in the crowd but nothing.

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5 hours ago, Mitch said:

Ha..you thought more about this then the writers...I could see Lisa being swept away with a totally unOakdale kind of guy, who was in journalism and knew writers, and I could see Lisa being with a guy who she couldn't d*ck around with..(I ALWAYS wanted Reva to have a rough hewn guy who loved her but did not think she was the Goddess of love and called her on her crap..) and Lisa was not that rich when she married him. She was comfortable, but she ran Penny's bookstore and the created Fashion's with Babs. So I can see Lisa getting caught up in being RICH. I can also see Lisa wanting her own family as opposed to be Hughes adjacent all the time.  However none of this was ever in the writing, she just appeared one day married to Whit. I also think the problem was that the actor had so charisma and no chemistry with Fulton.

The actor was a friend of the Dobsons' and they were really, really into guys being aholes and thinking it was sexy...Steve, Nick and now Whit. I think the goal WAS to have Lisa and Whit have a temptuous relationship and when Fulton was there she did give Whit as good as she got in scenes...but then she got bored, and started playing Lisa as a ditz, and the writers leaned into that. then she left , and BVF was very placid as Lisa..as far as she got when he was attacking her own son or friends was "OH Whitttttt!"  A guy has to have a ton of charm to play a guy like Whit and the actor did not have it.  And yes, Lucinda came on to avenge her husband's suicide and then Marland retro wrote it and what came before didn't make any sense because of it.

Then when  sleazy Brad came on the show, Lisa was wrapped around his finger. And of course James (which I think viewers accepted  more because Anthony Herrera was so charismatic and handsome), and Nick (where Kathryn Hays got hate mail for the pairing). It's a really  ugly time  for many of the women of Oakdale. I think this was  post-Dobsons, but the scene  of  Steve just berating Kim as she stands there helpless and mute always stays with me.

7 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Well my Astros beat Lucas Giolito today. I kept looking for Lindsay in the crowd but nothing.

I feel the need to publicly admit my stupidity because I was today-years-old when I realized that Lindsey Frost is not the same person as Lindsay Crouse.  This whole month I was thinking how odd it was that David Mamet's son played baseball under a different last name.  For some reason I always thought it was Lindsay Crouse (Mamet's wife, best known for Places in the Heart) who was recast as Betsy.

21 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Then when  sleazy Brad came on the show, Lisa was wrapped around his finger. And of course James (which I think viewers accepted  more because Anthony Herrera was so charismatic and handsome), and Nick (where Kathryn Hays got hate mail for the pairing). It's a really  ugly time  for many of the women of Oakdale. I think this was  post-Dobsons, but the scene  of  Steve just berating Kim as she stands there helpless and mute always stays with me.

😲 Wow, do tell ...

3 hours ago, TVFAN1144 said:

Which she regretted letting him get away the rest of her life

It's nice that it was played that way. He truly was the one that got away.

37 minutes ago, TVFAN1144 said:

Well Kim was always aware of Lisa’s feelings toward Bob. I think friendship overrode things going further 

I liked this aspect, that Lisa was loyal in equal measure, despite feeling that Bob was the "one that got away". I appreciate when there are complicated feelings at work.

1 minute ago, amybrickwallace said:

It's nice that it was played that way. He truly was the one that got away.

Wow, we stated this at virtually the same time!

5 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Wow, we stated this at virtually the same time!

Great minds, my friend! 😎

It was very notable that Marland canned the whole Lisa-wants-to-get-Bob-back thing when he took over, and I'm glad. It was beneath her at that point IMO, and her friendship with Kim. A fair amount of reference is made to her recent renewed infatuation in '86 but it's from a position of character growth.

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