Members DRW50 Posted September 12, 2009 Members Share Posted September 12, 2009 I think soap viewers have plenty of intelligence. I think the people who run most of the soaps assume viewers have no intelligence. And the people who run most of the soaps have no real idea of how to write soaps. There's no point in trying to connect a dot when there's nothing to connect it with. That's how most of the stories are. They are made up as they go along. The people at Y&R may realize that they can get away with this type of writing because it is considered highbrow or because the viewers are considered rubes who just don't get things and if they twist themselves into knots trying to analyze or interpret, then everything will work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted September 12, 2009 Members Share Posted September 12, 2009 They think we're stupid with the constant retcons and dumb storytelling. They're very manipulative with it too. Like Kevin's storage box thing. They can say they're using "history" while in fact they're using it to totally rewrite Tom Fisher and Deacon as characters, two average joe sleaze balls that never had any connection to the art world or any significant taste, nor would someone from the sophisticated art world give Tom Fisher a second look. It;s heavily plot driven writing that twists history and character histories to suit a plot point regarding art of all things, and it's bombing big time. I stopped hoping after the show didn't get better over the summer. Now, it's time for behind the scenes changes to happen. If MAB must say and supervise it, fine, but get rid of Sheffer, Hamner, and trim that writing staff in half. Of course, ideally, there would be a thoughtful transition where the next regime comes in and is intent on wrapping up all the crappy storylines of this regime and has written some carefully planned long-term story projections for their first set of stories without any gimmicy retcons, one-cote phycho villains, bland characters, unrootable characters, and weak women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted September 12, 2009 Members Share Posted September 12, 2009 Agreed, they think viewers are stupid and will accept anything. Again, hence Deacon's sudden interest in art and Tom's sudden art laced backstory, which we know is out of character for him. We shouldn't be held to connect anything and make excuses for why it's not happening when it's not in the writing or even being teased at in the writing. It's basic soap opera to tease your audience as to what's really happening, not give it all away, but tease them. Stuff coming out of left field with very little explanation as to why is not soap opera writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 12, 2009 Members Share Posted September 12, 2009 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovely_m Posted September 13, 2009 Members Share Posted September 13, 2009 I thought they explained that the reason she got them was because she was sensing Kevin was in trouble.......agian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faulkner Posted September 13, 2009 Members Share Posted September 13, 2009 Standing ovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted September 14, 2009 Members Share Posted September 14, 2009 Yes yes yes yes yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted September 14, 2009 Members Share Posted September 14, 2009 Let's also keep in mind that the early part of the LML era had Alden and Smith and a staff full of writers who were there for a long time, understood these characters, and knew virtually everything there was to know about them. Y&R's current writing team can't say that to the same extent as when LML first started. There's a few yes, but not a lot of people who were apart of the "old guard." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members y&r_fan Posted September 14, 2009 Members Share Posted September 14, 2009 Exactly. LML was successful at first because she was collaborating with Alden and Smith. With the exception of the reliquary story, I thought 2006 was brilliant (yes, even the Carmen stuff). But LML should never, ever, EVER have been made EP. Y&R needs Jack Smith back. YESTERDAY. He's being wasted as a script writer for B&B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 14, 2009 Members Share Posted September 14, 2009 And she still sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SOAPSFOREVER Posted September 14, 2009 Members Share Posted September 14, 2009 The heart is gone from Y&R. It's a plot driven mess. The characters are ill defined. We don't know why they're doing the things they're doing, and even if we did, I'm not sure we would care given the ridiculous plotting. A thorough house/cast cleaning needs to happen immediately. I agree. Bring back Smith. Pair him with one or several of the other long time writers who are still with the show. Get rid of Hogan, Hamner, Tom C., Lisa C., Paula C., and other writers who still don't "get" Y&R. And by all means, ax Paul Rauch. He's done nothing for Y&R during his tenure. bring back Ed Scott. Shake this show up, but with people who know, love and respect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I thought Monday's US Y&R was interesting. Although Victoria's apparent sex with Deacon was "WTF", it was nice to see the walls crumble and to have Victoria explain some of her behavior. JT and Victoria are definitely more interesting this way, and it is interesting to have JT be the "good guy" in this twist. It may make him recall his feelings for Colleen...which will make her current dire straits all the more painful for him. There is no question that Traci...and in this case, the actress' sincere emotion for Colleen...is a necessary and welcome part of this tale. What is lacking is that both Jack and Ashley were off screen. It would be more meaningful if Ashley were sane for a few minutes, and if she and Jack could rally around Traci. This is also a time for ghost Dad. I'm sure all of this is coming...but the absence of it suppresses some of the emotion. It is also false to me that Kevin and Daniel (both of whom have a history with Colleen....especially Kevin) wouldn't set aside their current dramas for Coll. That said, I was grateful for Kev's "moment of clarity" regarding Ryder. The romantic reconnections of Kev/Jana, Daniel/Amber and Murphy/Katherine were all injections of the kind of "slow down, reconnect emotionally" that many of us have been crying for. BUT, tonally, I felt yesterday's episode was the wrong show to do it in. I kept feeling "Damn, how can you all be so preoccupied and selfish when Colleen is in trouble?" Rather than being "welcome relief", it felt more like a frustrating non-sequiture. I am not enjoying a slow week of torture porn where Colleen is concerned. Watching her suffer at the hands of this increasingly disconnected psycho is not my idea of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm glad Ashley isn't involved in the Colleen storyline. She had no problem siding with Victor over Colleen, she doesn't care about her family. To see her broken up over Colleen would seem false. Jack can't be involved because they want us to see Jack as being as much at fault in this as Victor, if not more. I liked Daniel and Amber last year but over time, and especially after Deacon and the rape/not rape, I don't think I want them to stay together. Kevin and Jana I like together but not in a passionate sense. It was nice to see Katherine and Murphy. What's happening to Colleen reminds me of the weeks and weeks spent on Adam tormenting Ashley. Someone at the show seems to get off on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovely_m Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Victoria sleeping with JT is kind of like karma for him. Remember he was sleeping with her when she was still married to Brad. If he suddenly falls in love with Colleen because Victoria slept Deacon that'll piss me off. It'll seem plot driven to me. It's not suprising that not everyone is worried about Colleen. Everyone is isolated in their own storylines. EX: Daniel is having leagal trouble, but Phyllis is too busy trying to keep Nick (It's moments like that that make me forget that Daniel is Phyllis's son). I'm suprised that Daniel even sent over a fruit basket to Lily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Heyou Posted September 15, 2009 Members Share Posted September 15, 2009 Absolute word! Viewers, IMO, are more educated than we've ever been and there aren't as many "housewives" sitting at home anymore. In actuality, it changes things but the writers still think they are writing for the antiquated typical soap viewer. They did... I actually agree with you here. I thoroughly enjoyed the first part of her reign and then it all went to hell in a handbasket with them giving her so much power. If Colleen dies, I have a feeling that JT will reel out of control which will be a plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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