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RHOP Another dull episode with the only good part the last 6 minutes where a cameo from one of the Sesame Street cast members proved to be explosive. That woman is such trash. I'll also point out that heifer Charisse made yet another cameo, straining the stitches of whatever dress she found for herself from Dress Barn. Wendy's lame talk show storyline...nobody is asking for that show and whatever she spent on the pilot had better wind up being a good tax write off because she's flushed that money down the toilet otherwise. Gizelle and Ashley's clothing is absolutely hideous and will not generate a time in profit. The two least stylish cast members thinking they could break into the massively competitive athleisure space? Please. Candiace and the "I want a baby!" storyline...didn't we live through that last year or the year before? Am I imagining that we've endured that before? I could swear we've heard this before. Mia and Gordon's family therapy scenes are so farcical when he's simply a john who married his "stripper at a gentleman's club where they served steak and lobster who was actually richer than the john because she had an inheritance." Robyn and her franchise launch...super boring. Who cares? When she's saying she wants a stream of income that's not dependent on an employer...but fails to realize that she's going into a highly discretionary income based business that is dependant on a steady stream of customers... The Karen and Gizelle scene was nice.

The last episode ended the show oddly, unevenly, without wrapping up a story thread or two while relying on fantasy imaginings of what Answered Prayers said, with plenty of hallucinations from various Swans. The last scene, where some of Truman's ashes being auctioned as part of the estate sale of Joanne Carson - did happen in reality...it's just a shame the writers left out the best part...that Joanne had told Truman's former partner that he'd received all of Truman's cremains when, in fact, she'd kept some for herself. Once he found out, he never spoke to her again. The John O'Shea part of the story was never resolved. Does anyone know what happened to him in real life? I don't think the writers did the Swans justice in telling any of their epilogues after Truman's death. Overall, it was like much of Ryan Murphy's work: great premise, superb casting, impressive sets, costumes, and makeup, plenty of witty lines, some great performances...but an overall mess of a show that seems to forget what direction it's headed by the halfway point.

Yes - Joan had been alluding to a 'top secret project' and been shopping in Los Angeles, ahead of the Oscars, for her characters costumes and posting some stories on her IG. I so admire that Joan is game for an indie flick - she's done a few in the last decade and they've often proved her best parts. I hope that this sells to a streamer like Netflix or network like Lifetime.

I just watched an episode to see how Deidre is looking and how her face is moving. For years she's been wearing turtlenecks constantly and my opinion is what we're seeing onscreen now is the result of a very conservative lower face lift. The slightest of tucks, just to enhance her jawline. As well, my additional opinion is she may have had a tiny bit of upper eyelid work to make her eyes look more relaxed and open. This result can also sometimes be achieved with Botox injections. Y&R's Melody Thomas Scott had a lower facelift done a year or two ago and went on Entertainment Tonight to show off the great result. It's a very effective procedure and doesn't radically change how someone looks, it just cleans up the jaw line and puts things back where they used to be.

He'd be a great casting choice. Shemar Moore's CBS show, SWAT, is airing its final season...I doubt he'd want a full time daytime return, but given it's CBS, perhaps he'd agree to help launch the show with a return of Malcolm Winters on Y&R, taking the character to The Gates for a 3 month arc.

I agree with you both - the third episode was weird and deeply unsatisfying. Kathy's purpose was undefined and while I didn't mind seeing her thrill at Mauricio exiting stage left from her family, I still do not buy that she and Kyle are solid. They will always have issues. I also didn't like the way Kathy behaved with Erika about Sutton. It shows that these women are simply coworkers who clock in when needed.

If they could lure Renee Jones out of retirement...she lives in Georgia...that would be wonderful.

The Karen and Gizelle scene was the only good part of the episode and showed that Gizelle can stay in this cast but she has to be this version of herself, be cool with Karen, and dump Robyn.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed Charrisse's downsized abode. I swear the way she moves around, trying to have a moment, she's the embodiment of the word 'heifer.' Charrisse is just not going to happen and I don't know why the producers keep trotting her out season after season. Keiarna definitely fit in well this episode...but it feels like a late addition in an attempt to jazz up a boring season. Look forward to them showing that explosive fight next week. RHOP has seriously flopped this year.

I can see why some of the cast said this season is a slow burn. You can see there is some reconciliation happening and by the end of the season Sandoval is going to have a few allies. Ariana and Katie misjudged the audience. They thought they could impose ultimatums on the cast and sit high in judgment. That doesn't work in the long run because it makes them look smug and that grates on the audience. Ariana would have been far better off being cool with Sandoval and let him continue making a fool of himself.

RHOM The 3 part reunion was excellent and shows that when a franchise is cohesive and working, a reunion of this length can be justified and enjoyable for the audience. BH On the other hand, this reunion could easily have been 2 episodes. Kathy gave us more in 90 seconds than Kyle has in 3 episodes. Kyle never, ever, is straightforward. She just hints and leaves other people to explore what she's talking about, and then becomes indignant when they do, despite the fact she's baited them all along. For a woman who has demanded that other people "just be honest" she's the biggest hypocritical [!@#$%^&*] on Bravo. What she's angry at the women for doing about M*rg*n W*d* is exactly what she did to Denise Richards with Brandi. One need only look back to the episode where Kyle said to LVP "I've had a lot of sh-t going on in my life too!" when LVP tearfully explained she'd been in London for her brother's funeral after he died by suicide to know that Kyle is a self centred [!@#$%^&*] and always will be. Just imagine the crying we'd been subjected to if someone had dismissed her feelings about her friend's suicide? We'd never hear the end of it! Yet when it came to LVP she was merciless. She is such a ghoul, like Rinna before her. I now hope Dorit comes back next season and goes guns blazing for Kyle. Mention it all, Dorit!

Despite the decades of free fall in daytime ratings beginning in 1994 with the OJ Simpson trial, then massive erosion in the mid 2000s, there has been something of a levelling off with daytime ratings to the point that the 5 day a week volume of production has got to look attractive to programming executives. Plenty of primetime shows the are considered hits, whether they're on network or on cable, have comparable ratings, if not inferior ratings, to all of the daytime soaps. I'm not convinced that B&B is in the danger zone with CBS. They want a strong lineup if The Gates has any hope of success and less than 400,000 viewers separates B&B and Y&R. The Talk, on the other hand, is a ratings dud, without any replay or further monetization hopes. A soap can be sold overseas, shown on multiple platforms etc. This just makes good business sense. I wonder if they'll look to Atlanta for potential production.

They were different scenarios. Y&R's current deal came to an end and this is a fresh deal, hence the 4 year window. B&B's current deal included a 1 year extension pickup, so that's why it's short - no new deal was negotiated, CBS simply exercised it's option to extend for that one year. This is certainly exciting news for the genre and I hope it gets a series order. My hope is The Talk gets The Axe and this is its replacement.

I was riveted by the reunion and agree with all of you that I found myself #TeamQuad thanks to the behaviour of Jackie and Simone.

That's how I feel too - happy for the cast and crew who count on the show for the livelihoods. Griffith needs to go, and hopefully the budget hasn't been slaughtered. Which studio are they heading to?

Love that Dorit did that. I feel that was the Hail Mary to see if she could get a spot for next season. Undoubtedly, she needs money and a fallout with Kyle would be good to watch so long as Dorit is prepared to mention it all. There is no way Bravo isn’t furious. Mauricio’s trailer gave more divorce content than the last season of RHOBH. Of course she blamed him. Kyle the perpetual victim.

I don't find Diane Lane weak - I think the accent she's using is very typical of women in the 1960s who lived between New York and London, as she did in reality. It's definitely mannered and stiff as a board, but if you watch movies from the 1960s, you'll see plenty of actresses speak the same way. I thought the fictionalized meeting of Babe and Truman was meant to be a figment of both their imaginations as they were talking to their respective therapists during that scene. Oh, I find it depressing as well. Truman is not a character I have much empathy for and most of the Swans aren't deserving of much empathy either.

Absolutely - new showrunners and writers are a necessity. Yes, it's very good. The Diane episode of Frasier is a standout and wound up their story very well. I fear all we'd see now is a wizened Kelsey and an aged Shelley. If they have any sense, they'll be running to Peri Gilpin with a contract.

Completely agree about Beverly Hills' finale. There really wasn't much to it and I'm left wondering where do they go from here? Flopmarie should be fired, unless Dorit comes up with a hail Mary at the reunion she should be fired, that leaves two openings that desperately need filling with dynamic, positive, personalities. They need to go younger like Crystal's age bracket. LVP lives rent free in Kyle's head. That was odd. Kyle is just fixated on her. I wonder if they could ever convince LVP to film a sit down lunch with Kyle...the problem is Kyle is a perpetual victim and martyr and just wants to bask in her victimhood. Sigh. It seems that Mauricio cheated one too many times and she finally had her fill. As Danny Pellegrino put it: they took their cast picture and they all looked miserable. Yeah...Morocco UGT ain't seeing the light of day. I can't help but feel a little sorry for Brandi - reality TV has truly used up her dignity and Bravo did nothing to protect her with the recent spat of lawsuits that have been going on. The two lawyers she's working with are very high profile, so there seems to be something they think they can work with.

Of course Flopmarie would duplicate a look from the thirsty loser Charisse. At least she fit hers though... Well I'll be damned. Bravo will NOT be happy this has leaked before the RHOBH finale and reunion have aired. Time to fire Kyle...she couldn't keep this under wraps and they sold it for their own gain on Netflix.

I can't fathom enduring more than 2 or 3 more episodes of RHOP @Taoboi that's how bad I think this season is. I now try and do chores during the episode so I don't have to pay attention to much of it. Robyn is definitely production's puppet, so they let her off easy. Imagine if this had been any other franchise? If this was Beverly Hills or OC or OriginalNYC, Juan's behaviour would have been the entire season. The fractures in this cast are too deep and too obvious to carry on. They need to clean house and rebuild around Karen and Ashley.

And the thing is, if I had to keep a third woman, it would be Gizelle because she is mildly entertaining when she's being friendly with Karen. And at least she gave us footage of herself standing next to Pastor Holy Whore, looking like a total hypocrite. The problem with Potomac is it's clear these women have no connection to each other. They show up for filming and then they never speak to each other again. They're onscreen to monetize their products, brands, and podcasts and nothing more. It's probably the franchise with the least amount of organic connections and because they've filmed together for so long, and most dislike each other, that it rings so fake and hollow. That production has let Robyn get away with having no storyline, and burying her personal life, is insane to me. After she sold it for her podcast? They should have come hard for her and Juan. The way she handed out rooms was so manufactured - you could see her running through the script she'd discussed with production. That crap needs to stop across every franchise.

RHOBH We are heading to the season finale next week. I think @Michael nailed it: there have been "moments" but no actual storyline for Kyle and whatever the hell is happening to her marriage. I think this season has turned out to be quite mediocre, but that's no different than the last several seasons but this time I found it pleasant to watch now that R*nna isn't there selling her house to satan himself to remain a cast member. RHOA I'm happy to hear about Porsha returning and I agree with @Cheap21 that she's doing the show to shore up her finances given her husband's impending implosion. RHOP Tonight's episode exemplified why this show needs a hard reboot. You've got this absolutely random addition of a friend of Wendy's (had we seen her before because I don't recall her at all) which feels like a last minute Hail Mary to inject some energy/drama into this absolute flop of a season. You've got Wendy and Neck never reconciling. You've got Robyn acting like a smug assh*le only for Karen to outplay her in getting her own room (likely because a producer leaned on Ashley to keep Karen in the villa). You've got Gizelle standing like the dutiful church wife next to Pastor Holy Whore. You've got Ashley making zero sense about her divorce. You've got a ridiculous 'Grand Dame' ceremony for a woman whose house didn't have light switch covers. At this point, I say keep Karen and Ashley and fire everyone else.

Craig and Nancy were wildly popular when they arrived in the late 90s. They had a legit TV Guide layout where the two of them were in a fountain back when TV Guide was prestige. And when Patrika was nominated for an Emmy, the roar of the audience when her clip package was announced at the ceremonies was incredible. They were the wrong couple for that story. Completely undid their entire storyline. Darlene Conley's Sally at B&B was a plus size diva for nearly 20 years and was wildly popular. It's plain and obvious that the audience wants to see characters of all ages and shapes - they want to see their world reflected. Of course, networks have given up on their soaps and aren't willing to innovate anything.

One of the more glamorous and beautiful grandmothers around.