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I came online to post exactly the same comment. I keep wondering when the finale episode is because this season sucks and is a total flop. I just want the show to be over because it's a chore to watch it. The only enjoyable cast member is Karen and Gizelle when she's in a scene with Karen where she's being nice. The rest of them are so foul and it's depressing and there's no juice to this season. Ashley, Robyn, Candiace, Wendy, Nneka and Mia do not have any viable storylines of their own. Robyn and Candiace feuding has no legs. Wendy and this daytime talk show is one of the more farcical things I have seen on Housewives. Mia and Nneka are just, there. Ashley hemming and hawing about signing divorce papers from Michael is just plain stupid.

Wow. Flopmarie truly digs that hole deeper with her own words. She is so blatantly wrong about her title, education, and technical abilities. You are so right @Cat about Kyle and Mauricio. They can’t stand each other.

The Instagram post infographic is even better than the Twitter post:

Flopmarie is the worst casting for a Housewife I've ever seen, including that awful season of RHoNJ involving the twins and Amber Marchese and her awful husband. Flopmarie is a literal idiot who is so grating and confident in her stupidity.

Indeed - there is no show without Karen. I think the gravity of the event at the end will be more important next episode, which appears to be more interesting.

RHOP The flop season continues. I have nothing to say about the episode other than that because not much happened other than Robyn and Juan going to a cooking class and Gizelle accidentally getting kicked in her va-jay-jay.

98 is a great life but this is such sad news. All the love to Susan Seaforth Hayes - may Bill's memory be a blessing.

I thought that's what it reminded me of and compared it on YouTube - what a great choice by Kristina Wagner to deliver the line like that. The 'champ' scene with Lucas and Kristina's line were so poignant.

Just finished today's episode. It's true you had to suspend disbelief but it was worth it. It was a worthy tribute for Jackie Zeman and Bobbie Spencer. This episode should be submitted for the show's best drama series Emmy reel. Nobody would stand a chance against them.

Credit is indeed due to them and it helped that, by this point, Frons was gone, having killed 2/3 soaps, so Frank and Ron were free to make the good choice they did to bring back that surge of vets in time for the 50th and it's continued on for the last decade. As La Lucci put it, Frons had the fatal combination of ignorance and arrogance. I liked the first episode well enough - Genie, Kin, Finola, Lynn, Kristina, and Jon all display the emotion of real friends losing a real friend in Jackie. Genie's speech, in particular, was about Jackie, rather than Bobbie. And that's fine by me. Jackie brought Bobbie to life and her memory is worthy of tribute.

Definitely - both cities are much smaller markets and aside from stalkers like Monica who will insert themselves into a group, I think it would be hard to find organic bonds. Heck, even RHOBH struggles - none of their cast live in Beverly Hills. More than half live in the San Fernando Valley!

She is the absolute worst. Production must not like her given the instant rewind they did when she made the eating disorder comment. She simply cannot return next year she is such a flop. Agreed. Flopmarie and Nneka are dreadful additions. Potomac hasn't had luck adding cast members - I don't consider either of Mia or Wendy a success. This is the problem when Bravo allows someone to be recruited to act as a soldier for another existing HW. They have no story of their own. Flopmarie is making a fool of herself as a medical professional. When she said there is "no thing as a narrow esophagus" that is simply dead wrong. Dr. Nicole and Dr. Moon both explained it so clearly that Flopmarie has nowhere to go but try and insult them. She's an idiot and has not done her profession proud.

It's amazing to me how differently we see the reunion @NothinButAttitude because we usually agree. I don't think Monica owned the reunion at all. When she lied about the email she sent to production, which production instantly corrected on camera, it showed that she's a chronic liar prone to constantly exaggerating. She lies like a rug. I think Heather playing that audio showed what a creepy stalker/fan Monica is and how she systematically set out to become a part of the show. The whole thing with Monica feels so gross. I don't know how Meredith can stand sitting next to her.

What I admire about Lucci is how gracious she is. She always played ball with ABC Daytime and was a reliable team player. ABC Daytime, in turn, rewarded that kind of loyalty and collaborated with her about TV Movies, all the while keeping her busy and front burner at AMC. Back in the 80s and 90s when it was owned by Capital Cities and later Disney under Michael Eisner, there was a certain level of rapport and respect between ABC Daytime and its talent that we haven't seen in 20+ years. Lucci also capitalized on her visibility by marketing products. All the while it seemed Susan really valued her personal life and having the time to devote to it to her husband and children and friends. When you look at her Instagram, she has a lot of very old friends who are loyal to her and have supported her in her widowhood - the time she spent with them, being Susan Huber from Garden City, Long Island, clearly paid dividends. That was great fun to watch. At the very end, Joan gives Susan a pat on the back - time has proven both of them nice people. That would have been fabulous. Both Joan and Susan would have had a sense of humour about it. The Carousel Ball had Gerald Ford appear as himself, if I remember correctly, there's no reason Erica Kane couldn't have shown up. Donna is a hustler. She works very hard and seemed very interested in getting back into the entertainment business 10 years ago and saw a daytime soap as her way in. She won an Emmy and then started picking up Lifetime work, she did a VC Andrews movie for them last year that was their highest rated program. And she had luck on Melrose Place where she played a Heidi Fleiss inspired madame - in my opinion the best work of her career.

I really like this analysis. I have long compared Bravo's approach to the RH franchises to how ABC approached its soaps under Frons. I think we are at 2006/2007 when ABC fired Stuart Damon and dropped Jackie Zeman to recurring on GH, and Y&R hired LML, unseating the Bell team that had been there 30+ years. Just like ABC, Bravo is chasing a younger demographic and just like Sony/CBS, none of the executives know how to do it, so they're throwing sh*t at a wall and seeing what sticks. Sadly, I do not see Bravo learning from daytime. They'll follow the same path of self destruction as the shows become more outlandish and less real.

I'll be tuning in and I'm prepared to be a wreck.

Y&R: Kay vs Jill. This feud went 40 years. The best knock down, drag out catfights in daytime. They own this thread. DAYS: Kate vs Sami. From about 1996 - 2014 this feud was electric. Lauren Koslow and Alison Sweeney played off each other so well - you cannot make the chemistry they had. In the years since, it's been interesting to see how Kate and Sami reconciled and forged a bond. AMC: Erica vs Brooke. There's this scene when Dimitri's funeral is held and Brooke asks Myrtle if she needs anything while she's sitting with Erica. The look on Erica's face is hilarious - she is totally appalled that Brooke would deem herself worthy to offer assistance to Erica's surrogate mother. Their feud was hilarious.

SLC watchers...if you listen to nothing else...listen to this.

If this clip isn't used for every single memoriam tribute to her, there should be a riot. RIP Glynis - what a unique talent. 100 is a life very well lived.

Did they pay tribute to Jackie Zeman at all?

If Strasser was a pet of the "writer" it seems the "writer" wanted to put her down given what she had to work with. But beyond the writing, Strasser just wasn't good. She seemed exhausted and worn out by the time she got to DAYS.

Even with an Emmy to his name, I don't buy Thorsten as Ridge in the slightest. The irony is that we think Ronn is dumb because he imbued Ridge with this vain, selfish, himbo energy while in real life he's really well spoken and thoughtful. I think Dame Joan had the advantage of being a recast for a character that had been off canvas for 3 years, so when she came on, she didn't have the same baggage that Marj did taking over the part from Beverlee in the middle of an active storyline. Dame Joan also had the advantage of having her recast being celebrated as an event, some excitement, while Marj's recast was an obligation. It's so true about Lisa Rinna. When she returned as Billie she might as well have been a recast - it's like she forgot how she played Billie the first time. I think for Krista Allen a lot had to do with the writing, wanting to make Billie a spoiler for Bo and Hope. Robin Strasser was a disaster as Vivian. She was flat out bad in the part. I can imagine that would have been a deflating experience. I think of Thorsten's Ridge as 'Budget Ridge' because he reminds me of someone who'd work on a barge, rather than a fashion designer.

SLC That was a memorable hour of television, regardless of genre. That was easily a Top 5 best episode in the Housewives universe. It really was the moment in the last 25 minutes or so when the original four, Heather, Whitney, Lisa, and Meredith, were united in their shared grief and shock at Monica's betrayal that was a great piece of television. Meredith was genuinely shocked at the beach when Heather told them about Monica's past as the internet troll that had dogged them for years. Everyone owes Meredith an apology, she was not the root of any of the social media hell that she's been accused of and she was visibly shaken. Whitney was focused on how Monica had hurt her because Whitney tends to always bring it back to her own pain. Goodness knows her attempt at a moment admonishing Heather at the beginning of the episode flopped. When she held Heather at the end and Heather shook from crying, I could see why they always reconcile. Lisa found her fire and her power when she got up at the table and exploded at Monica. That is the New Yorker in Lisa that I have come to really love. She was so angry and hurt. It was explosive. Heather had the floor and the monologue to back it all up. Last season was a turbulent one but she roared back this season. She delivered the goods. That her admitting that Jen Shah caused her black eye (Jen, you're in prison and a convicted felon, go run some laps in the yard and get off Instagram), was not even close to being the highlight of her take down shows just how well researched she'd been about what exactly was going on. Angie was there...she knew this wasn't really her fight...and try as Monica did to implicate her...none of the women really cared. Monica is evil and likely has a personality disorder or two. Not since RHOV's Jody Claman, when Ronnie Negus memorably exposed her at the girls group lunch in the S1 finale where Jody admitted to selling 'vintage' (ie second hand) bags in her store, thereby blowing apart the whole lie she'd based her hatred of Mary Zilba on, have I seen a housewife get so totally exposed in an episode. She really showed what a dangerous person she is when she, at first, flatly dismissed Heather, then minutes later started admitting it, only a few minutes later to totally admit it, all while trying to deflect. SLC must not make the mistake of RHOV when Jody returned for S2 and the show became an 8 snake headed Medusa and literally gasped and shrieked as it died. Monica must be banished. There is no way the women could ever plausibly film with her again. She simply shrugged off her betrayal of them as being "collateral damage" and didn't think of them as people at all.

It's going to be hard to tell until we see: 1. Episodes where AA is no longer involved; 2. Episodes where the Writer's Strike is over. The December numbers for her are dreadful and I hope things turn around.