DramatistDreamer

Filler material. It’s giving, that JG overshot his A storyline (I.e. the “Whatever Happened To Baby Eve?”) and it wrapped in such a time frame that he needed something to fill the lull. I guess he figured that nothing would succeed like a soap wedding (or vow renewal) of a couple with a vocal fan base (however large or small that fan base might be). The fact that JG couldn’t even write enough material to extend this storyline beyond a, what six week or so stretch? SMH. He needs to go back to the basics of writing out a storyline projection.

Wilkinson was great in an understated way in In The Bedroom”. Tap dancing great and the other Hines Brother Maurice Hines has passed away. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/maurice-hines-dead-cotton-club-1235858674/?cx_testId=49&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

It never seems to get old, there’s always somewhere new to direct my attention. Does anyone know who the couple is in the final frame?

Fox 5 in NYC should have had something about Bobby Rivers since he was a very prominent part of their Good Day NY morning team. https://nypost.com/2023/12/28/entertainment/bobby-rivers-dead-food-network-host-vh1-vj-dies-at-70/

Yes, you’re right! I got them mixed up as I had no use for either on ATWT.

During their vow renewal ceremony Lauren told Michael that they raised two extraordinary sons. I only recall them raising Fen. Surely, they’re not trying to rope in Scotty into the mix?

Make way for the Mickey Mouse inspired fan art and non-Disney merch. https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/mickey-mouse-public-domain-disney-copyright-lawsuits-1235844322/

Which one of those actors were once known as the CBS soap killer?👀

In the meantime there needs to be drama, not just couples or else where does it go from there? I’m just saying that particular triangle may satisfy some desire but otherwise doesn’t make much sense logically. I know that on soaps, logic has gone out the window ages ago.

It’s insane. Phyllis pretty much became a human wrecking ball for Danny’s romantic relationship prospects. I don’t think we even heard of Danny having a serious romantic relationship after this era. He really only need be civil to Phyllis when Daniel’s around, it would be more interesting dramatically if Danny could barely conceal his bitterness under his nice guy/zen persona. To me, it would be more realistic if he even were to be torn between rekindling a relationship with Traci and rekindling a relationship with Cricket. And the fact that even Daniel is saying any relationship between Phyllis and Danny is a terrible idea is really telling. Seems like the folks at Y&R are now set on this absurd triangle between Cricket/Danny/Phyllis. Has Danny even had a conversation with Traci since he’s been back in town? Surely, he and Lauren must have had a coffee or something, right?

Didn’t Y&R try to do a reboot of this last year or so?

I can’t see how Danny could even look at Phyllis if he truly loves his sanity! Phyllis was such a venomous creature that was pretty much a human wrecking ball for his prospects for a loving relationship. Did he even have another long-term romantic relationship after that? Even Daniel knows how bad his mom would be.

Thanks for posting @janea4old. Interesting article despite the typo about his appearance on the “Ton Joyner show”. And to think, he was sent a Cease and Desist letter, because of his AMC updates , clearly they missed out but at least then, some folks at CBS were smart enough to put Sanders’ talents to good use! That sense of forward-thinking seems to be in short supply at CBS/Sony these days because Sanders had to reach out to them for the 50th anniversary?! Clearly, he had to remind/educate them on the importance of “Clarence” to the show’s history. Wow.

‘In a Genoa City minute’, that could work. What you wrote makes me think that someone at CBS/Sony should revitalize that promo. It’s more interesting than what they’ve got going now. Looks that the masks have fallen off where Kyle and Audra are concerned. It doesn’t look like their relationship can go on from here. So Kyle dumped Summer for this? What a dope. So basically, instead of being a relationship of equals, Audra will be at Kyle’s mercy? No bueno.

Billy Magnussen is part of the cast of the upcoming Netflix movie Lift starring Kevin Hart.

And added onto the tagline should be “…but you’ll still end up with added subscriber fees “. What programming does Byron Allen actually do anyway? All I can think of is those odd programs featuring random clips of celebrity interview with inserted canned music. What else has he done? There could be an entire documentary about the series of missteps and bad business decisions that various BET CEOs and executives made that caused BET’s slide downward. It began with good intentions but what is BET actually about now?

South Korea is really harsh on drug users. Whereas, in Europe and increasingly, North America, drug use is treated either as a recreational or medicinal activity, in addition to viewing its abuse as a disease as a disease, South Korea treats it as a crime and uses the threat of punishment, even jail time as a result. With Lee Sun-kyun being a high profile celebrity, the charges against him were treated as something of a scandal and he likely believed he would be made an example of. It’s really sad, and S. Korea really needs to change the national tone to reduce what seems like overwhelming pressure to conform to societal expectations. It seems that when people in South Korea take a fall from grace, even if a small one, it’s viewed as if there is no way back from it. Truly tragic.

Nikki didn’t even flinch when Jordan referred to Nick as her “idiot son”, which admittedly, made me giggle. For the longest time, when I looked at ZS as Audra, I had the feeling that she reminded me of someone. Now I know who…Jocelyn Seagrave as Julie Camaletti on GL when she became embittered after Dylan dumped her when she got caught cheating on him with Hart Jessup.

Thanks @soapfan770. This Christmas is tough for me but I sincerely hope you and all fellow board mates have a really nice Christmas Day, Boxing Day and holiday.

P&G, even in their heydays as soap producers was only ever about promoting their stars during a brief window of time in the 1980s when they were chasing the youth demographic. Otherwise, it was the Nixon soaps, the Bell soaps that promoted the hell out of their stars. Even Days made some effort. It’s probably the reason why so many talented ATWT actresses were repeatedly passed over for Daytime Emmy awards while Erika Slezak has like more than a half dozen of those trophies.

OJ trial is an excuse many people use to mask poor choices and indifference by many of these production companies. Look, the reality is that, as bad as ATWT and GL were in their final years, Y&R (I don’t watch the others) is every bit as bad now as those shows were in the final years but Sony has a measure of giving a damn about these shows continuing to exist, P&G began to care less and less as they no longer could use them as cash cows. P&G began to starve their shows’ budgets way before other soaps did but they obviously began their exit strategy years before AW got cancelled. It just happened to coincide with the aftermath of the Simpson trial.

And Iva served as the redheaded herring in the piece, because at first Margo suspected Iva, who had admitted to doing some nude modeling when she was younger in order to make ends meet years after she had run away from the farm. Denise became a different person once she went to prison for Channing’s murder (despite Lucinda and a whole host of other Oakdale residents suggesting that Denise be thrown a ticker tape parade instead of prison). I liked the fact that we saw the character two years later, hardened and bitter when Barbara spent time in the women’s prison after falsely being accused of murder. And the added complication of Barbara now in a relationship with the man who was the love of Denise’s life. I had always wanted the character to return to Oakdale, on a mission to repair her life and make amends to those she had wronged (like Barbara) and perhaps find forgiveness from Hal but skepticism from Barbara. Maybe even begin to renew a relationship with Hal before Hal was killed or even after the character was killed due to Hendrickson’s untimely death, have the character of Denise return with the revelation that she and Hal found each other while Hal was on reassignment in D.C. and renewed their romance, only to have things cut short by Hal’s murder while on duty. Perhaps she returns with a surprise. Alas, the things that could have been!

On As The World Turns, Oakdale police detective Hal Munson is dating Denise Darcy, an aspiring fashion model who is doing some runway work for designer Barbara Ryan. A greasy Trump-like real estate developer named Tad Channing, after terrorizing half of Oakdale goes missing and is eventually found dead. To make a long story short, Hal discovers that Tad is involved in some dark mechanisms like pornography. Hal, finding evidence is forced to watch evidence, which includes a porn film featuring his girlfriend Denise. Hal, obtaining a search warrant, has to go through Denise’s belongings and finds a key piece of evidence, as Denise, unsuspecting, enters her apartment. At first, she’s happy to see Hal, but sees Hal with the incriminating evidence and proceeds to tell Hal her grim tale of being lured into doing porn as a young woman and being blackmailed by Tad and not being able to take it anymore when he taunted her that final time and tells Hal how she ended up killing him. Seeing Hal’s reaction and facial expressions as she tearfully tells him everything and breaks down is so compelling. It’s not obviously violent but hearing her tell the man she loves a grim tale what she endured is heartbreaking.

Since I have the Black Friday special for HULU, I decided to finally read the book, so that I could watch and compare it with the limited series. I have done a bit of writing an adapted screenplay from a novel, I know the compromises that have to be made to heighten the drama. The limited series made some interesting choices in scripting the story. Still, the book, tells a better, more fluid story overall. There are some elements from the novel that I wished the screen adaptation had kept. The casting is great though.