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I am curious about the new upcoming previews for the rest of OC's season though I'm hoping Shannon's meltdown will still be included. Based on the first two episodes of Danielle and Lizzie, I can see why Lizzie got the housewife spot and Danielle didn't. Perhaps Danielle realized she needed to bring it and picked Tamra to bring it with since there were reports that the two go at it in Bali.. hence why Tamra is saying Danielle is a fame whore and such. I also see that OC will not be on next week, and I'm wondering if the producers are re-editing some episodes since reaction to the first few episodes were lukewarm to intrigued.

So far, I can see why Lizzie was picked over Danielle to be a main housewife.. plus, Tamra mentioned that Lizzie is a mean drunk.. but then who isn't in Orange County

Saw an except of next weeks OC, and Vicki and Lizzie do not get along with Lizzie basically saying in her TH that she seems insecure.. the more insecure one is the louder they get. That describes Vicki to a tee

Based on watching moments of the Atlanta reunion, it is too toxic. While Atlanta is doing well ratings-wise, Jersey used to do stronger ratings as well but after three seasons of no cast changes, it became stale and boring. Atlanta does need to shuffle the cast a bit, but not too drastic. They used to change cast members out, but the ratings weren't as high as they are now so it will be a little dicey cast changing. One wrong housewife, and the show can falter... look at BH. The only show that can get away with cast shuffling is the OC, because they have never been a clear ratings winner nor loser. They seem to always fall in the middle, and for a 9 season show.. that's pretty good.

I was surprised that aviva wasn't in the credits either. Ramona missed two episodes, but she was still in the credits. I did hear Aviva didn't go to the Berkshires, and I also read somewhere during filming that she didn't go to Montana either due to allergies. I have allergies myself so I could believe it to be true.

I am perturbed that Porsha couldn't control her temper, now we won't get to see what props Kenya would have bought to the season 7 reunion

While I think her comments are uncalled for, isn't it possible for people to change and evolve?

I didn't watch a lot of Atlanta when Kim and Sheree were on, but did either of them hold their own better then Kenya against NeNe?

I watched the last minutes of the Atlanta reunion (while I waited for my housewife show OC to come on), and I think Nene came off badly though miss Kenya wasn't smelling like a rose either. Now, OC time: I always wonder how the OC celebrates the Christmas season since New York always seems elegant and magical, and Chicago is as well At least the OC is tacky when it comes to the holidays like the other times of the year, sometimes consistency is a nice thing. This weeks episode was interesting to me with a full introduction of Lizzie and Danielle... I'm wondering why Danielle was only a friend and not a housewife. She seems nice and her husband seems interesting as well. I did notice a ping of interest between him and Eddie, perhaps this is why Tamra and Danielle eventually don't get along? Lizzie reminds me of a Bratz doll in looks, but she seems actually nice and intelligent thus far. Plus, her line saying that not everyone should have a clothing line was a subtle slam toward Gretchen's purse line Shannon and her husband are uncomfortable to watch, yet very fascinating at the same time. Even though it seems scripted, their marriage issues seem non scripted to me. Vicki at her insurance office cracks me up. Actually anything Vicki cracks me up, and sadly she grew up in a neighboring suburb We are all not like her in the Chicago suburbs, rest assured

Found episodes of season 2 of Vancouver on Youtube. A very toxic show, mostly due to Jody. It makes me wonder what the show would have been like if Jody or Mary were removed from the season 2 cast.

Ah, Danielle... a perfect villianess on New Jersey. She handled the gang up on her during the season 2 reunion like a pro. While I understand why Porsha went after Kenya, I think her throwing a tantrum like a two year old is what turned me off. I watch the housewives to see snarky putdowns, not brawls.

I think Kristen handled both Ramona and Aviva well. Aviva seemed to snap out of her crazy personality when Kristen pointed out that people have told her she was crazy and she is just proving them right. I like that Kristen didn't need to get down and dirty, she just let Ramona and Aviva hang themselves.

Cheap 21, I now know who the person in your signature is! I happen to find the Real housewives of Melbourne on youtube and binge watched 8 episodes in a two day period. I think there is one or two more episodes to the season, but I think my thoughts won't change too much after watching those episodes. Gina: I love her! She seems very laid back, and kind of reminds me of a heavily made up Shockard Channing. While I could understand how she could rub people the wrong way, I don't think the attacks toward her are warranted. Me thinks production had a hand in her being late for tennis match since she did indicate that she said that she was caught at work, and when the women said they didnt hear this, she said then it's a communication issue. I'm thinking she told production she would be late and they didn't tell the other women knowing that if they didn't it would increase the drama factor. Granted she is late, wears high heels, and probably didn't clean up make up in the bathroom.. but I don't think her not owning up to calling Lydia and Andrea the c word makes her any worse then Andrea/Lydia/Jackie for making fun of her behind her back. Jackie: She's annoying, but I could see why she would have an issue with Gina in the first place especially the way Lydia relayed what Gina had told her. I do see that she and Gina warm toward each other later. Though letting angel's advise her on business decisions...umm.. that's a new one Plus, saying her husband is a rock star countless times is a drinking game ready to happen Janet: I'm confused with her sudden shift from liking Gina to wanting to strangle her. In episode 5, she and Gina are having fun.. but in episode 6, she wants to strangle her. Even Gina was confused and blindsided about Janet's anger toward her. There is enough other stuff to like about her, but she needs to lay off the botox. Lydia: The lesser of two evils. She seems to be slightly less harsh toward Gina, but she did stir the pot by blabbing to Jackie about what Gina said.. and twisting it. I like that she is in college, but the way she spoke to her professor shows how disdainful she views authority and shows how superior she thinks she is over others... I bet she will display that toward Andrea one day. Cyka: I love her! She is a peacemaker, wanting to see good in others, which means that she will get dumped on. She has a great husband, and seems close with her son. I do hope she can advise Jackie and husband on business matters. Andrea: What a two faced witch. Nothing likable about her at all. Also, Lisa should have watched how Gina handled the gang up... She was doing her makeup while the women were bickering and ganging up on her LOL I love how delusional Lydia and Andrea were thinking that Gina was afraid of them, but I think she just doesn't care and is willing to watch them hang themselves.. or turn against one another Plus, I wouldn't stay either.. not cause I did something wrong but I figure if you don't want me there then I'll just leave.

The actress only signed on for a six month stint, and she didn't want to do more then that. With that said, I think she was too islanded and didn't really interact all that much with her father, Margo, Bob, or Lisa. I'm not sure if Paul or Andy were on the canvas at the time or not. She was a great actress, but I think the time limit on the contract prevented the show from doing too much with her character.

Porsha offers nothing in terms of brains, personality, and in wealth. At least Kenya has the skill of stirring the pot on her side. Time for a new housewife next season.

When someone says the F word constantly, it doesn't make them trash. I just think it makes them sound uneducated because there are plenty of words to use that has the same meaning as the F word. I think in a fit anger, it's more normal to resort to the quickest word that comes to mind and that is usually the F word. Heather doesn't seem like she spits that word out except if she's angry. Brandi, on the other hand... That said, I would love if Brandi went over to the OC. Tamra and Vicki would make mincemeat out of her.

There is a brief web exclusive clip where Tamra is asked her thoughts on the new housewives. Apparently, Lizzie is a neighbor of hers but that they didn't know each other all that well before filming but that Lizzie is a mean drunk. All she would say about Shannon is that she's nuts. I'm wondering who Shannon is melting down about when she is ranting about the cameras and that the truth will come out. I thought it was Heather, but I'm wondering if it's maybe Tamra.

Vicki didn't disappoint in this episode! With her foot in mouth comments about Oklahoma, trying to surf, making a big deal about her knee being bruised, her driving abilities, and her annoyance of Heather, it was like a gift that kept on giving. This is just the first episode and Vicki is already giving us some new treasures to snark about Tamra was actually being nice, for her anyway. I did like the subtle shade she threw at Gretchen. I'm so glad both Tamra and Vicki are clued in on Heather's snooty ways. Seeing the three in Hawaii, it does make me wish Lydia had been there. I could have seen Lydia laughing it up with Tamra and Vicki while also throwing a little more shade on Miss Heather as well The jury is out on Shannon, though she does come from an upper middle class family. On the one hand, it was nice to see scenes of her on our own because it's nice to see them before the crazy starts, but on the other hand, she seems like she is missing a screw or two. I'm not sure if she was serious about doing a DNA test on her twins, or if she was just joking. The one positive about Heather is that she has the best reactions and she didn't disappoint in that scene. Lastly, is Heather building a home or a hotel? It would make a nice mini hotel for them once the kids grow and move out. Overall, it was a nice episode that sort of reset the show for season 9. I like that we were introduced to Shannon and that Lizzie's introduction was put off to the 3rd episode. It gives us more time to know Shannon and Lizzie before throwing them into the lions den of drama. Lastly, they updated the credits! No more powerpoint 98 style credits!

I agree Nene works better with a sidekick then solo. She and Kim were so much stronger when friends then when they were fighting.. and I think her and Marlo were better when friends then not.. and I think Nene realizes that its better to be cordial with Kenya then be fighting with her. While Nene isn't hated by any stretch of the imagination, her likeable factor did take a hit this season.. imho. That said, I'm hoping season 7 will result in the firing of Porsha and that a new housewife is bought on. A show can survive one housewife being added without changing the dynamics too much. Kandi and Todd marrying almost gurantees her a spot with the newlywed phase as well as him being a step dad to her daughter and of course, Mama Joyce being a presence. I'm debating about Phaedra being fired, or at least reduced to a friend of.. that way she can still attend parties, etc.. without any of her home life being shown. In regards to Beverly Hills, I think Brandi shouldn't be fired, but she should be reduced to a friend of position. The reason being is that she can't include her kids, so filming for her is limited to when Eddie and Lee Ann have the boys.. so we can't see the mothering/ car pool/ Barbeque side that Kim said was there when Brandi's boys are there. If we can't get a full view of a housewives life for whatever reason, then they need to be downgraded to a friend of status. If Joyce comes back in season 5, I'd like a little more focus on her home life with her husband, kids.. with her doing preparations for her new pagaent.. plus even seeing her and husband in the producer mode as well. I know season 1 had several scenes of Camille in producer mode discussing products, pitch meetings, etc. I think it would be nice to show that again. I'm also wondering if perhaps Beverly Hills peaked too early? The reason I ask this is because OC didn't really peak till season 3/4.. Atlanta didn't start cooking till 3/4.. NYC really was cooking in season 3 while Jersey started cooking at the end of season 1 through season 3/4. Perhaps Beverly hills having such a great first season with the little moments plus the trainwreck moments at Camille's dinner party and Kim/Kyle at the White party was too high to obtain in following seasons. Just a thought is all. RHONY: I liked the mermaid parade scenes, and even admit to liking the Aviva scene. Though I have to remind myself that Aviva does put on a good front and can be almost likable at times.. but that she will turn that off if she feels you look at her funny. I like that Kristen is being the observer right now, it's the perfect role for a newbie like her. It does look like she'll start getting into the action later on, so I'll enjoy her as the observer for now RHOC: I'm excited I'm also glad that it looks like Shannon will be in the first episode because it would have been boring to just focus on three out of the five housewives in the first episode. That said, her little scene of cell phones and radiation.. plus talking about organic food does give me a feeling that she'll be interesting. I know Peggy was previously into organic food, etc.. but I'm hoping Shannon is a little more interesting (and she doesn't look plastic yet.. refreshing

I Gretchen wasn't the problem, Slade was for me. Vicki will never be cut. She gives off the train wreck moments, and her meltdown on the ski slope last season bought the show to at least 2.1 or 2.2 million viewers last season while the other episodes hovered under 2 million. It was promoted in commercials, online, etc.. and when it had a ratings increase, Bravo talked it up.. which surprised me considering that it was in its 8th season. However, the constant rotation of housewives on this particular franchise is what's kept it fresh. We would have had more rotation if Heather's friend hadn't backed out of joining in season 8 and Bravo had to bring back Alexis. it's telling that even when they had trouble finding new housewives, and Lydia quit right before filming of season 9 that they didn't call Alexis nor Gretchen to come back.

It'll be a throwback to the earlier seasons with more individual housewife scenes.. and even events where they came together and got along. From what I read, one of the new housewives is being introduced in the 3rd episode or so.. so I'm wondering if episode 2 will be when the other new housewife comes in.

I think the closest Jo came to being herself doing the 4th season was when she had the short story arc involving Sydney's friend and her son. However, her tearful declaration of love for that dr was so not in character for her. The Jo of old wouldn't have done that, she would have decided to get on her motorcycle looking back at Melrose Place before riding off into the sunset. In fact, several episodes before had Jo talking to jake while the two admitted that there was no going back and she rode off on her motorcycle. If she hadn't come back, that would have been a great ending. I think Kristin Davis did well with what she was given. The Brooke of season 3 looked to be a character that could have stayed around long term, but once season 4 came and her character was gutted.. then I could see why she exited stage left at the end of season 4. I do wonder how she would have interacted with Taylor/Kyle. I've watched about 17 episodes of season 5 of Melrose Place, and color me surprised that Lisa Rinna is playing a character and isn't a cartoon. Shame they morphed Taylor into an idiot when I think she worked well as an East Coast bitch. I always wondered if Hunter Tylo had played Taylor if they would have morphed her into an idiot/cartoon character in season 6?

Marissa would have been a good addition full time. Her husband is a producer, she works in real estate so we could have seen some small scale Hollywood parties (since he produced indie films) while we could have been treated to some house porn. She was friends with Mauricio/Kyle, became friendly with Brandi while having some tension with Yolanda. I wonder if she would have served the same purpose as Joyce or Carlton. RHONY One thing I like about Heather is that if she has a problem with you, she will straight up tell you. I can't wait for episode 5 where she has a verbal smackdown with both Aviva and amanda. I wonder if Ramona will be absent from episode 5 like she was from episode 4? I bet she might have helped Sonja not be a trainwreck?

I agree Wendy Williams would make a better host for these reunions, heck Viveca A Fox was a host for a reunion on the Style network and she was pretty good as well. I think you need someone who isn't the producer to be host, someone that can objective, or more so then Mr. Cohen is. When I see him in action, I'm embarrassed to be a gay man and having to put up with the likes of him reinforcing every negative gay male stereotype. With that said, I do think Kyle was correct in saying to Carleton that no one cares about her, and I did think it was funny that Kyle said that she isn't listening a thing Carlton's saying.. though Carlton hit a nerve by calling Kyle trash. LOL The problem with Carlton was that she said too much and jumped the gun with Kyle. She should have made nice with Kyle and let Kyle's true nature come out. Yolanda is very disrespectful of Joyce, but I view it as Yolanda being jealous that Joyce actually has mastered the English language and landed a great guy who loves and adores her. Don't see Yolanda's 'king' coming to her defense LOL Finally, Joyce seemed to break the fourth wall a few times with explaining why she wrote about Yolanda's bad hosting, the tagline, and editing issues. Brandi.... certainly knows how to work those tears. Fake fake tears when she's in trouble. Shame no one other then Joyce will ever call her out on that behavior. Odd that the housewives franchise rewards bullying and makes mincemeat of the victim when they dare stand up for themself. People are focused on bullying in school, but I also think that focus should be on adults who bully too.

According to new housewife LIzzie's twitter, she isn't debuting on RHOC until the 3rd episode. I certainly hope that the other new housewife Shannon debuts before then or else the first two episodes are going to be pretty boring with just three housewives.