Soaplovers

Up till 2000/1 was consistently good and/or decent quality. 2000/1 to 2006 was a mixed bag where some of the show was decent..but other parts..not so much. The Glow by Jabot crew (Raul, JT, Billy, Rhianna, Brittany, and Mac) was the last strong 'young' group...it reminded me of the inter related groupings of the younger bunch in the 80s.... Patty, Danny, Lauren, Traci, Nina, Cricket, Phillip, etc.

I forgot over rated Robin Christopher (so wrong as Lorna) is married to Matt Crane. I guess if her doing it would make him do it..then ok.

3 unmemorable performers. Why not get the 1st adult Amanda, Matt Crane, and even one of the Jamie's?

I'm hoping the RH all stars at Dorinda's place is a test run for her coming back to NY. Also...something tongue in cheek..

Vancouver didn't film a season 2 reunion..so it isn't unheard of to not film one. Not much has happened in NY....just do a virtual WWHL reunion special and call it a season.

2006 was with Latham and Alden as co head writers. Shame it didn't last because Latham had interesting ideas and Alden had the history and soap opera writing experience to make those ideas work.

Eleanor could have been tied more to the hospital..as a board member, doing hospital drives, etc. I often wonder if she was meant to be written off by Depriest, but kept on when Marland took over? Her story seemed done and then the writer switch happened..and.poof she was back and starting the Luke story.

I think when Tori left town in early 1989, she worked it out to let Chip stay with Cruz. I'm surprised she last 2+ years on the show...I do wonder if there was a way to keep her on..without being the spoiler?

Karen and Gizelle have had a long time friendship. And Karen has said she likes Gizelle...and I think Karen is someone who will ignore you if she doesnt like you. She never ignores Gizelle and vice versa. And regarding NY, Leah has had 2 seasons and she hasn't proved why she should he there..so she can go. Now I get why OC drops lots of their housewives after a shaky 1st season...because they tend not to improve, but get worse with time.

So I'm reading some interesting rumors that Eboni and Ramona are back for next season? And Evan...😛😍😈

Actually back in 1996, people kind of cheered on Mari Jo for torturing the Bug. Some even said she found an effective way of shutting the bug up.(drugging her). I do.wonder how different the show would have been hav Mari Jo not been the shooter. Jack / Mari Jo were a good match...the few pairings of his that worked. Personally, since Stafford ended up quitting in 1997 anyway, maybe have Phyllis be the shooter. She meant to shoot Christine and got Victor by mistake. Phyllis would have kidnapped Chris and tortured her..would be in total character. I think 1996 was when Bell's health started to decline..imho

Susan Lucci played Erica as more comedic and someone you humored...while early Felicia seemed colder (flashes of that Felicia would come out..especially opposite Lorna in 1991-1992).

I recall Retro saying that the Doctors had lots of interest and views so they opted to do the whole series. It's probably why they wanted EON. I wonder if they're aiming for other soaps? Capital would be fun..and only 5 years to digitalized vs 19+ years of the Doctors.

Hmmm...ex soap star should learn to keep her mouth shut..and looks like Suttom was right...if this is true. https://nypressnews.com/news/entertainment/attorney-shares-why-he-plans-to-depose-lisa-rinna-says-erika-cannot-keep-25-mil-of-stolen-money-whether-she-knew-or-not/

All my Children: Gillian was created by Lorraine Broderick as a jet setter, was perceptive and scheme. Mctavish paired her with Ryan and made her ditzy. Guiding Light: From what I read in synopsis, it sounds like Holly became more a heroine under the Debson's. I recall once how the original actress playing Holly didn't like the changes to the character..explaining that Holly would have seen through Rita's attempts to get Ed for herself...which I agree with. Marland made Holly even more passive, while Long made her more confident and sexy. When Curlee wrote her, she focused more on Holly's neuroses and less on being sexy/confident.

I think both being 17 worked in Shannon's favor, plus in season 15,..there wasnt much talk of David, his new wife, nor his new family. So Shannon proved that the girls are could be filmed with little to no mention of him and his new family. Now had David said the show was a negative environment for the girls, he would have had a case since it was alleged Brownie hinted about a drug source for one of twins. But he didn't opt for that claim.

Jersey and OC were just as much about the families so I can see why Shannon used that as an argument. NY, Atlanta, BH, Dallas, and Potomac are less about that (though the husbands on Potomac get a lot of focus..which enriches the show..imho). Plus, the show has filmed for at least 2 seasons since the divorce with last season not even mentioning David. So I think that helped Shannon's case. And Sophie's talking heads were so funny with her deadpan explaining debutante balls, her mom's tendencies to overdue things, etc. So her daughters do add an element to the show (not quite on the level of Brianna though) Sophie was the deadpan eye rolling daughter, Stella was the spirited mischievous daughter, but I don't recall much focus on Adelaide...tbh. And tbh, Tamra not being able to have her kids film with her did diminish her a bit. I think she focused more on pot stirring because she lost an avenue of her life to film.

Sophia had a warmth and charm about her...a vulnerable aura of that made men want to protect and love her. She used her looks and those other attributes to her advantage. It's why I liked the Ken/Andie plot against Sophia in the final year of the show because he was younger and attractive. And he lavished her with attention, which she ate up after seeing CC hooking up with Santana again. And it was an interesting reversal because she was used by Ken for her money....same way she latched onto the count. And I agree Cassie should have been her vengeful step daughter. Kind of like India was to Alexandra on GL.

I think maybe the idea of carly was in Marlands plans. Remember Rosanna had run away to find out about her mom and ended up at the Snyder's. So I'm sure it was in his bible...but I think Culliton made her a memorable character. And I do recall she started out warm until she smoked out by the Snyder pond and threw it in the pond. I liked her for that because the Snyder's were a horrid family

I think Kelly/Amy stayed close all the way through spring 1986...but it felt odd that Kelly was flashback to Peter, visited Joe's grave..yet never told Amy? Also, when Amy died...I don't think there was even a scene with Kelly dealing with it. You'd think with a tie to Joe dying would have impacted Kelly. Also, Eden being Channing and shooting Sophia didn't make sense. It should have been Kelly..due to losing several years with Joe because of Sophia.

RHOBH No wonder Sutton got a diamond, she's carried this whole season. Nothing more to say on that. RHONY Eboni and Ramona are the odd couple I didn't know I needed. RHOC: Apparently David Beador didn't want his twins to film for season 16 because of the fear of negative things being said about him, his new wife and family. Shannon won the case by pointing out her primary income is the show and having her daughters on fulfills that requirement. Shame others couldn't use that argument.

GT's Mason had the Shakespearian quality that LD's Mason had..but he played the in love aspect of Mason toward Julia much better. I look at it as Mason finally letting go of Mary by the early 90s. And like I said before, seeing Julia's first 18 months on the show pre Mason has been a treat. She interacted with a larger group of characters, focused more on her career, and seemed to have more agency as a character in her own right. Once Julia/Mason started, her stories were more tied to him..and she didn't freely interact with the other characters as much. It was like she was tied to him and his needs without any agency of her own. That never improved even when she and Mason broke up between 1990 and 1992.

Dallas in the first part of the 80s did a great job of bringing new blood onto the show (Clayton, Afton, Katherine, Rebecca, Donna, Mickey, etc)..but by the mid 80s, that changed. Speaking of Afton, this clip shows how she functioned quite well as a grey character. Neither good nor evil.

I'll be honest and say that while I liked Julia and Mason together, I think the pairing diminished her character in the same way that Eden being paired with Cruz diminished her character.

Alexis in season 2 was more subtle and subdued. My mom said it was more interesting when she lived in the gate house on the property where interactions between Blake, Krystal and Alexis were more organic. She still had some of that lethal snake in the grass vibe in season 3...but gone by season 4. I always viewed Jill on Y & R more like Abby on KL. Single mom, grew up working class, worked her way into marrying well..but also had keen business sense to keep her in that level when the marriage went south. And had a tense relationship with her child..same as Abby.