[aMLCproduction]

Is it just me or does it feel like the writers are just retelling stories of yesteryear, Kevin and his looneyness, Kathrine/Marge, here we go with Nick and Sharon again. Adam being blind( his mother was too) Victor and Ashley back together again. And alas we have the Jill and Kay rivarly, which is nice but again nothing new

This Kevin storyline feels so weird esp with that ugly rat that he keeps seeing. Previews for Monday don't look any better. Ashley hears baby's crying in some dark place.

I am begining to question the direction of the show. It's not enticing no more. I don't know what in the hell got into Sharan. I just feel that story isn't making a lot of sense. They turned her a theving slut

And Neil is being written so out of character. I can't belive they are doing him like that.
I don't like the new Mac, they could have found some one better. and I don't like Tyra.

Your thoghts?...

[Vee]

Vee, if I say: I have the other slipper, do you know what I'm referring to and how it ties to the "subtlety"?

I was actually addressing the mods deleting our posts. Would you like to answer the question I left you?

[MarkH]

Okay, focusing on a different aspect of Maria Bell....I actually discovered something interesting tonight...Maria Arena Bell is bona-fide growing the ratings. So did Latham, for a time, when she worked with Alden & SmithThis table shows the AVERAGE WEEKLY RATINGS CHANGE for different writer periods, using Toup's archive. (Data on Alden is limited, because Toups does not have weekly ratings prior to 2000). More details are at my blog.

HW regime	Average weekly HH ratings change
Kay Alden	-0.010
Jack Smith with Kay Alden	-0.004
Lynn Latham (overall)	-0.003
Lynn Latham (2006 with legacy team)	+0.001
Lynn Latham (2007 without legacy team)	-0.006
Arena Bell/Griffth	-0.028
Arena Bell	+0.004

This post has been edited by MarkH: 26 April 2009 - 10:33 PM

[MichaelGL]

MarkH, I think I'm in love.

[Paul Raven]

Mark Here are the Y&R ratings for 1999 from SOD

Unfortunately,there a few missing weeks(which I hope I can track down)

I also have 1998 if you want them

Hope these will help in your project

Jan 7.2 6.9 7.0 6.6

Feb 6.7 6.9 7.0 7.0

March 6.9 7.2 6.8 6.8 6.8

April 6.5 6.6 6.5 6.6

May 6.2 6.4 6.4 6.4 6.4

June 6.6 6.4 ? ?

July ? ? ? ?

Aug ? ? 6.4 6.2

Sept 6.4 6.2 6.3 6.3

Oct 6.0 6.2 6.4 6.1

Nov 6.2 6.2 6.0 6.0 6.0

Dec 5.9 5.9 ? ?

[MarkH]

Mark Here are the Y&R ratings for 1999 from SOD

Wow! That is generous! That will at least give me better data on the Alden era. I wonder if this will change anything?

[Sylph]

Mark, how far back do your weekly ratings go?

[MarkH]

Mark, how far back do your weekly ratings go?

Now, for Y&R, as far back as 1999. All others, thanks to Toups, as far back as 2000.

[Sylph]

Now, for Y&R, as far back as 1999. All others, thanks to Toups, as far back as 2000.

Sadly, I lost my Excel file with those and I have no intention of re-typing all of those data again.

[MarkH]

Thanks Paul Raven. I updated the blog, but interestingly (and you can see it from the charts in there), adding that extra year of Alden data changed nothing. She still had a steady average weekly decline of -0.010. So, that was a very consistent trend that stretched through almost her entire run...and turned out to be destructive because of the length of her solo run.

Alden's rate of decline remains the fastest (and longest) of all the post-Bell writers, except for that brief window with Arena Bell and Griffth. But, since she is now gaining (albeit slowly), Arena Bell may be making up for the initial carnage.

It is also interesting to me, in light of all the internet hyperbole about LML, that even her rate of decline in her second year was no worse than Smith's.

What I wonder is this (it is oft-speculated). Was that nosedive under Griffith-Arena Bell due to their stories (e.g., Sabrina, no momentum), or due to Latham's legacy? I guess we'll never know....

This post has been edited by MarkH: 27 April 2009 - 05:21 AM

[Cat]

She slayed Kristoff. She handed him his ASS, and I hope he actually came prepared that day on set. Like I said, best performance thus far this year in daytime (and unfortunately it will go unnoticed).

Some were saying that NP leaving and the end of this SL indicated "a new chapter" for the Winters. I honestly think Karen would have revitalized Neil if she had stayed. Her final scene was a death-knell. Welcome to a second lifetime of PSAs and filler, Winters family!

If I were MAB, I would rehire NP and have the Abbotts hire Karen for Jabot when she comes to them with NE info and experience. Jack will want an insider like that because he cannot let go of his grudge with Victor.

That way, Karen could keep giving it to Neil with both barrels on the professional front. And what if Karen strikes a deal with Victor behind Neil's back? Or with ADAM? That would certainly unsettle Neil "I run NE when Victor, Nick and Victoria are on vacation" Winters.

As for Tyra, Eva Marcille's acting rang false when she was trying to be the put-upon heroine. Her scenes with Ana ("oh, baby! I wuv youuuuuu so much!") looked like a show she was putting on for Devon and Neil. Her big eyes batting those long lashes -- Tyra and EM are made to play VIXENS. I would have loved it if we found out this was a plan engineered by Tyra and Ana to secure a better life for the both of them.

And we know that Karen (and Nia! ) cannot abide Tyra/EM. Everytime she would see her, it would be like vinegar poured on an open wound. Karen and Tyra would have all the knee-jerk hatred of Phyllis with Sharon.

... And then... and then... if Rowell were ever to return. Watch out, the both of them!

Personally i hope he is faking. I think it would be a brilliant twist if Adam faked his blindness to get out of prison and now he is plotting revenge against Victor and Jack. The gaslighting of Ashley confuses me. I can see why Adam would be behind it, obviously to get back at Victor and/or jack. But Estella's part makes no sense. Why does she dislike Ashley? Is there some hidden backstory the viewers aren't aware of yet. It'll be interesting to see how MAB handles it.

I think Adam wants to hurt Jack and Victor, as you say.

I think Estella is psychotically possessive of Victor. She wants him with Nikki. End of. If there is a backstory, I'd love to hear it.

[Cat]

What I wonder is this (it is oft-speculated). Was that nosedive under Griffith-Arena Bell due to their stories (e.g., Sabrina, no momentum), or due to Latham's legacy? I guess we'll never know....

I'd like to think that after Out of our Asses and Lynn Marie Troll, the slow start on the Griffith/MAB stories were the straw that finally broke the camels back.

But I am just an MAB apologist and blindly unquestioning when it comes to Y&R. So it was probably the sudden slowdown in SLs and the lack of impetus in the stories (the "Ma chérie amour" dialogue between Victor and Sabrina went on for weeks). This must have been a shock for those who had grown accustomed to LML's pace. She sometimes started and wrapped up a SL in a single episode.

This post has been edited by Cat: 27 April 2009 - 05:40 AM

[JackPeyton]

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This post has been edited by JackPeyton: 27 April 2009 - 07:24 AM

[dmarex]

As for Tyra, Eva Marcille's acting rang false when she was trying to be the put-upon heroine. Her scenes with Ana ("oh, baby! I wuv youuuuuu so much!") looked like a show she was putting on for Devon and Neil. Her big eyes batting those long lashes -- Tyra and EM are made to play VIXENS. I would have loved it if we found out this was a plan engineered by Tyra and Ana to secure a better life for the both of them.

Of course she is; maybe it unintentionally played out that way. Remember weeks ago when Ana tried to talk to her about her problems and the only thing Tyra could do was daydream about Neil? She's more immature than Ana.

[Khan]

Eva Marcille's acting rang false when she was trying to be the put-upon heroine. Her scenes with Ana [...] looked like a show she was putting on for Devon and Neil.

And if I were HW, I would have picked up on that, and I would have altered the story to reflect that. That, after all, is what good HW's do.

[Cat]

LOL, Khan. Well, yes. If I were writing Y&R, it would be the bestest show on earth and everybody would love it! I would be acclaimed as the saviour of Daytime. Tuning into watch the show live (gotta boost those Neilsens!), even I would be astounded by my own brilliance.

[Khan]

LOL, Khan. Well, yes. If I were writing Y&R, it would be the bestest show on earth and everybody would love it! (IMG:http://boards.soapoperanetwork.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I would be acclaimed as the saviour of Daytime. Tuning into watch the show live (gotta boost those Neilsens!), even I would be astounded by my own brilliance.

I guess I had that coming, eh, lol?

All I'm saying is, these writers need to start paying attention to what's happening on-screen. Writing Tyra as some kind of traditional soap heroine is just wrong, when it's clear "Eva the Diva" isn't capable of eliciting that kind of empathy.

[Cat]

I guess I had that coming, eh, lol?

All I'm saying is, these writers need to start paying attention to what's happening on-screen. Writing Tyra as some kind of traditional soap heroine is just wrong, when it's clear "Eva the Diva" isn't capable of eliciting that kind of empathy.

Just playing with ya.

And yes. You know ITA with you about the mess they made with Tyra, Karen and Neil. Tyra is not the heroine they wish her to be. She could be, however, the villainous vixen striking an attitude. I actually think this would bring Eva Marcille a boatload of new fans.

This post has been edited by Cat: 27 April 2009 - 11:56 AM

[Khan]

Tyra is not the heroine they wish her to be. She could be, however, the villainous vixen striking an attitude. I actually think this would bring Eva Marcille a boatload of new fans.

In a way, this reminds me of another Eva (Longoria) whose Y&R character (Isabella) I didn't think was all that until she went all out to get her man. The difference? Even if Drucilla were still around, she'd put up more of a fight than Cricket; and now, thanks to Karen, there's absolutely no one (save for Olivia, if/when she ever sees Tyra's true colors) who could thwart Tyra at every turn.

[MarkH]

In a way, this reminds me of another Eva (Longoria) whose Y&R character (Isabella) I didn't think was all that until she went all out to get her man. The difference? Even if Drucilla were still around, she'd put up more of a fight than Cricket; and now, thanks to Karen, there's absolutely no one (save for Olivia, if/when she ever sees Tyra's true colors) who could thwart Tyra at every turn.

I'm liking your idea of Tyra as a villainess very much.

Honestly, if that did happen, you KNOW, you JUST KNOW who the "heroine" would be. I don't even have to type her name. The "new Cricket", as she is sometimes called. She'd rescue daddy from the evil Tyra, probably by having her new pooch bite her face off or something.

(And then, if LML came back, we could have a social issue storyline on face transplants).

[dmarex]

I don't believe Marcille could deliver. If she can't deliver scenes in which she just talks, how bad would she be trying to act as a villain?