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The funny thing about this story is that it’s not even remotely as shocking a gimmick as Bradley Bell thinks it is. It actually comes across as rather goofy and retrograde.

I find it hard to get up in arms about its racism (which is real) because it’s just so laughable.

It says a lot about the state of soaps that this is “pushing the envelope.” (This is the guy who thought pairing a mentally disturbed Thomas with a mannequin was oh so entertaining and potentially viral, when it actually tanked the ratings IIRC.)

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22 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

This cuckold storyline is literally the blackface of storylines.

Just like blackface, this is a trope that has a long hideous history of racism behind it and regardless of what a white person's intent is in using it now, they absolutely should not.
I don't believe Bell is racist but he is using a story whose subtext is a mix of poisonous cultural stereotypes that has fueled violence and hostility towards black men for centuries (from the overall objectification of People of Color reminiscent of, well slavery, to the "threatening" sexuality of black men and the tropes that go along with it) and I cannot comprehend how someone on his writing staff, on the technical crew, on the cast, at the network didn't stop to tell him that the subtext with those particular characters is just atrocious. 
Not to mention that he is now adding a story where a black character is paid to tattle-tale on the sexual escapades of another black man with a white woman. I mean the historical parallels... Has he ever read a book about American history and the antebellum South before?

It is a no for me. A serious deep no.
And unlike most fans, I actually don't mind the cuckolding storyline in itself. It is sleazy but why not? But this is horribly offensive.
 

On the other hand, I will play Devil's Advocate on this.

While we have plenty of reasons to be skeptical, I think it is a bit early to declare it a bust.
I mean, building up Sheila as a threatening menacing lurking presence in Steffy's life slowly messing up things for her is exactly how it should be. Build up the tension and slowly draw out Sheila's evil tendencies and the feud between them.
I am not particularly interested in the Sheila return but so far they are playing it probably how they should be playing it - with the exception of the Paris/Finn subplot.
Bell might get bored and drop it soon as he has before and if this turns out to be the extent of it then, yeah, it'd be a bust. But if the story is going somewhere and is going to build up further over time, then this seems like a reasonable opening round to me.

 

I have to give you credit for always trying to find the hope in something. I used to. I'm finding myself more jaded again LOL

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Well one thing is that when I saw this whole storyline being talked about - I am not the one to call racism or play a race card.  In fact I'm a bad Democrat because of that.  Sometimes I'm one to think twice and look at all angles before I agree or disagree with whether something is racist.  But I listen to what people have to say.  In this case, I didn't need to read other people's opinions on it.  It made me feel uncomfortable from just reading about it.  I feel like it's a bone to throw to black characters at the very very least, and the more obvious thing to me is what it is and what it looks like.  

It reminds me somewhat of a mutual friend I have with someone.  Went to her house and she had a collection of mammy dolls.  Now, I know.  I know that some are made by black women or craftspeople who are black and they're proud of it and see it as an art.  But there's something about a Southern white woman collecting them that bothers me.  It just does.  I don't know why, but it does.  Reading about this storyline makes me feel like that.

And last, Carter is probably the most handsome man on Daytime.  I'd put him up there and I've said it before.  Ok, Rena is very pretty (Quinn).  Ok.  But we've spent years now that Carter isn't noticed basically and plays 2nd fiddle to the white guys...he has.  It's happened.  It happened with Maya picking Rick...black woman picking the rich white guy.  I mean, I'm not calling that racist at all - but it happened.  Now we have a really handsome black man (STILL) who apparently can't get a date so he takes up with his rich white boss's woman.  Now, rich white guy has given him "permission", like he owns him or something.  So....it looks like what it looks like to me.  

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I agree, Fevuh!  I think the racism slaps you in the face.  The fact that they've not only NOT used Carter in the past, but to put his character in this position is ludicrous.  At least, in the past, he's always been such an honorable person.  They've ruined him now.  I can't believe they've stooped to this level or that the actor would agree to play the role.

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Obviously Tanner Novlan is nice to look at, but c’mon Finn, there are occasions when it’s appropriate to grab a shirt. I guess he wasn’t expecting to see Sheila there, but does Finn do anything but surf? Like isn’t he a doctor?

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On 9/27/2021 at 6:05 AM, Jennybold1974 said:

Hi...

I must admit the comments about Quinn/Eric/Carter are a bit surprising here.

I have my issues with this storyline. I'm not a huge fan of Quinn and Eric to begin with... in my opinion Eric should have divorced her after the vow renewal debacle. She had an ongoing affair with another man and kept it a secret, this is a serious betrayal. Now I'm not crazy about how this SL is unfolding and I get why it's a bit taboo. But racist? That's going too far. I don't see it.

Please read the other posts here and try to look at this with different eyes. The racial elements of this storyline are so in your face I don’t know what to say.

You see the taboo element, so you DO see the black/white being played onscreen. Yet you can’t see who’s in control? Who has the money and the power? Who we’re told to care about?

We NEVER hear what Carter wants and needs. We know what Eric wants and what Quinn needs. What does Carter — a man who can get any woman he wants — get out of this? 
 

The racist elements of this story are everywhere. Open your eyes. If you don’t see it here, I wonder where you do see it.

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LOL. I can’t bring myself to get angry about this Eric story or its racism. It’s too stupid. No one in this story is behaving credibly. It’s like Passions at its most idiotic.

The characters talk about ED like a bunch of giggly Catholic-school kids, as if this medical condition hasn’t been discussed ad nauseum for generations. 

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7 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

LOL. I can’t bring myself to get angry about this Eric story or its racism. It’s too stupid. No one in this story is behaving credibly. It’s like Passions at its most idiotic.

The characters talk about ED like a bunch of giggly Catholic-school kids, as if this medical condition hasn’t been discussed ad nauseum for generations. 

That's insulting Passions... 

Brad writes these character like they live in Bumpkin, Iowa in 1955 instead of Los Angeles, California 2021. I'm sure they have heard of plenty of A-List couples in the Forrester circle have open/poly relationships for years now. Not to mention Eric finding other ways to please Quinn sexually... 

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Just now, Forever8 said:

That's insulting Passions... 

Brad writes these character like they live in Bumpkin, Iowa in 1955 instead of Los Angeles, California 2021. I'm sure they have heard of plenty of A-List couples in the Forrester circle have open/poly relationships for years now. Not to mention Eric finding other ways to please Quinn sexually... 

 

It’s just laughable that they playing these moments like big reveals, ending today’s show with Eric telling Ridge he gave Quinn permission to fûck Carter. None of it makes a lick of sense. Even the oldest and most conservative members of the B&B audience are more sophisticated than this.

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On 9/30/2021 at 1:51 PM, Faulkner said:

None of it makes a lick of sense. Even the oldest and most conservative members of the B&B audience are more sophisticated than this.

I was talking to my sister today and she asked if I had seen B&B, and I said just reading about it.  Without prompting she said, it is SO STUPID.  I said, yeah, I've been reading.  hahahaha.  I noticed the ratings posted and saw...wow, GH is almost up to B&B in demos or right at them, and has like 500K less (or even less) total viewers.  Pretty terrible.  The 18-49W and 25-54W aren't watching B&B.  The show has always skewed older since day 1, but now it's really glaring.  They have to get the geriatric over 54 viewers because no one else is watching...and it's looking like they're tuning out also.  You'd think they'd figure it out.  

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3 hours ago, Fevuh said:

 They have to get the geriatric over 54 viewers because no one else is watching...and it's looking like they're tuning out also.  You'd think they'd figure it out.  

Geriatric over 54?????  Wow, I'm older than that and this is not even the least bit entertaining!  They have sunk to new lows on this show.

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13 hours ago, Ponds said:

Geriatric over 54?????  Wow, I'm older than that and this is not even the least bit entertaining!  They have sunk to new lows on this show.

Well I shouldn't have put it that way but I meant those not in demographics they even track because we don't count - the elderly over 54 crowd, the ones who are bedridden and unable to change the channel.

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