@ranger1rg Focus on the show and don’t worry about if my criticism is “too much.” Everyone is allowed an opinion and if your brain can’t handle an adult conversation this isn’t a place for you. We’re here to discuss and critique a show, not each other’s right to post.

Mealor does a decent job. Except the other day when Kyle was whining. The acting there was bad. He's improved from a few months ago. Definitely over praised though. He works better opposite Sasha Calle than Hunter King. 

9 hours ago, frequentsoapfan said:

Summer has no friends besides Kyle.

True! They need more youth on the YOUNG and the Restless.

2 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

True! They need more youth on the YOUNG and the Restless.

 

Most of the youth on Y&R are so boring, though. 

7 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

 

Sorry, but I just disagree with so much of this. Y&R has many problems, but it doesn’t look cheap, it’s not poorly directed, an$ the lighting isn’t a problem.

 

 

I have to disagree. High production values are embedded in Y&R's DNA, much more than most other soaps, and to see them deteriorate over the years is disconcerting. Yes, they have deteriorated. Ever since Lily's trial a few months ago, I have seen a change in lighting, sets, shooting -- a change Mal Young himself acknowledged at the time (though he sold it as improvement). Some scenes (not all) were actually approaching GL-end-of-days quality IMO. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but as somebody who was attracted to Y&R's filmic visuals and lighting from the start, in my eyes the fall in quality is really noticeable.

20 hours ago, Vizion said:

Gina Tognoni Interview with Michael Fairman

 

https://michaelfairmantv.com/yrs-gina-tognoni-opens-up-about-billys-bombshell-with-summer-whats-next-for-phyllis/2018/10/18/

 

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Gina thinks Billy is Phyllis' soulmate. I would pick Jack, but her countering with Jack being her wisdom -- I liked that a lot. Gina has brought out more layers to Phyllis than I knew actually existed.

1 hour ago, mango said:

 

Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Gina thinks Billy is Phyllis' soulmate. I would pick Jack, but her countering with Jack being her wisdom -- I liked that a lot. Gina has brought out more layers to Phyllis than I knew actually existed.

 

And I think Stafford would say Nick. I think for both actresses it comes down to who they enjoyed working with the most, not what was on the page. Because I'd agree that Jack is her soulmate, she's certainly Jack's.

 

10 hours ago, Chris B said:

@ranger1rg Focus on the show and don’t worry about if my criticism is “too much.” Everyone is allowed an opinion and if your brain can’t handle an adult conversation this isn’t a place for you. We’re here to discuss and critique a show, not each other’s right to post.

 

Tell it!

 

3 hours ago, Cat said:

 

I have to disagree. High production values are embedded in Y&R's DNA, much more than most other soaps, and to see them deteriorate over the years is disconcerting. Yes, they have deteriorated. Ever since Lily's trial a few months ago, I have seen a change in lighting, sets, shooting -- a change Mal Young himself acknowledged at the time (though he sold it as improvement). Some scenes (not all) were actually approaching GL-end-of-days quality IMO. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but as somebody who was attracted to Y&R's filmic visuals and lighting from the start, in my eyes the fall in quality is really noticeable.

 

Yep, Y&R's production values are what drew me to the show. It just looked so different from any else on daytime. Now it just looks like more of the same. 

Edited October 19, 20187 yr by Darn

I think Gina clearly loves working with JT (and I think she's wrong about Billy), but to her credit she is full of praise for Jack/Bergman. I think she sold the pairing with Jack from Day 1 and I always appreciated that. No matter how bad the show gets I think she's been shockingly good in the role.

20 hours ago, Chris B said:

@ranger1rg Focus on the show and don’t worry about if my criticism is “too much.” Everyone is allowed an opinion and if your brain can’t handle an adult conversation this isn’t a place for you. We’re here to discuss and critique a show, not each other’s right to post.

 

Chris, I was focused on the show. That’s why I disagreed with your comments. No one said you weren’t allowed an opinion, and I never questioned your right to post.  Your comments here are ironic, since you’re now suggesting this board isn’t the place for me. 

 

I responded to what you said about the show. You responded to me. In your words, “focus on the show.”

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Cat said:

 

I have to disagree. High production values are embedded in Y&R's DNA, much more than most other soaps, and to see them deteriorate over the years is disconcerting. Yes, they have deteriorated. Ever since Lily's trial a few months ago, I have seen a change in lighting, sets, shooting -- a change Mal Young himself acknowledged at the time (though he sold it as improvement). Some scenes (not all) were actually approaching GL-end-of-days quality IMO. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but as somebody who was attracted to Y&R's filmic visuals and lighting from the start, in my eyes the fall in quality is really noticeable.

 

I know all about Y&R’s high production values, and I know they’re not what they once were. They’re STILL better than the other soaps. A case could be made that B&B is better production-wise, but a 30 minute show has a lot less to worry about. I’ve watched Y&R for decades, so I know it’s not the same. I miss the music cues, too.

 

The budget isn’t there any longer, and you know that. I’m not happy about the cuts, either, but expecting things to look as they did 20 and 30 years ago is unrealistic.

 

And no, nothing looks like GL-end-of-days. I’m frankly tired of hearing “It looks like Peapack.” None of the daytime soaps look that bad. 

So Billy remodeled the CEO office at Jabot and never noticed the wall safe? It would’ve made more sense to find it somewhere in the Abbott living room.

 

Where were Mrs. Martinez and Kelly the nurse? Dina looked like she was on her own to me as relatives wafted in and out.

 

Sharon’s bed and mattress discussion with Rey was cringeworthy. He didn’t know what size bed he bought? Huh??? Who is that stupid?

19 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

 

Chris, I was focused on the show. That’s why I disagreed with your comments. No one said you weren’t allowed an opinion, and I never questioned your right to post.  Your comments here are ironic, since you’re now suggesting this board isn’t the place for me. 

 

I responded to what you said about the show. You responded to me. In your words, “focus on the show.”

 

“Your hyperbole is ridiculous” and “your criticism is too over the top” is not talking about the show. Going forward I know to mute you, so thank you for that. 

 

ANYWAYS, I finished this week up and it’s a damn shame Eileen Davidson is leaving just as they throw Ashley a bone. I hate the way the women are all neutered today, even Jill. It’s nice to see a ruthless female character in their business stories again. 

 

Seeing more of Kyle with Dina and then Mariah and Lola, he works better there than he does in the business scenes with the rest of the Abbott’s. He just gets lost in those scenes which was particularly notable in the fallout from Ashley’s reveal. The secret reveal with Dina intrigues me. I’m curious just how outrageous this secret will be.  

21 hours ago, Chris B said:

 Focus on the show and don’t worry about if my criticism is “too much.” Everyone is allowed an opinion and if your brain can’t handle an adult conversation this isn’t a place for you. We’re here to discuss and critique a show, not each other’s right to post.

I knew I forgot something...lol.

 

16 hours ago, Cat said:

 

Most of the youth on Y&R are so boring, though. 

Because they give them nothing to do while giving  the older characters the drama

1 hour ago, Chris B said:

Seeing more of Kyle with Dina and then Mariah and Lola, he works better there than he does in the business scenes with the rest of the Abbott’s. He just gets lost in those scenes which was particularly notable in the fallout from Ashley’s reveal. The secret reveal with Dina intrigues me. I’m curious just how outrageous this secret will be.  

Yeah outside of his scenes with Dina Kyle is not good in the scenes with the Abbotts. And the writing for Kyle in those scenes is horrible. Were we supposed to buy the sudden regret of aiding Billy's gambling addiction after a month of hearing him state he didn't care all the way up to a day or two prior? Mal been flip flopping heavily to wrap up this Billy mess and then acting like we're supposed to forget what we just watched. 

 

I will say I didn't see Dina's secret all all coming and for once it was actually a twist.  Didn't make sense but it wasn't something I saw predicted. 

Edited October 20, 20187 yr by frequentsoapfan

15 minutes ago, frequentsoapfan said:

Yeah outside of his scenes with Dina Kyle is not good in the scenes with the Abbotts. 

 

 

I thought the same thing too.

15 minutes ago, frequentsoapfan said:

 

 

I will say I didn't see Dina's secret all all coming and for once it was actually a twist.  Didn't make sense but it wasn't something I saw predicted. 

The story hasn't made sense since day 1 and Mal is just pulling stuff out of his ass as he goes along writing this [!@#$%^&*]. 

Edited October 20, 20187 yr by Soapsuds

Here are just some of the ways the "Ashley Amendment" makes no sense:

 

1. When Jabot went public and Victor became the majority stockholder (while John was alive), did Ashley own the product lines making the rest of the company worthless?  Should Victor have had to pay her out at that time?

 

2.  When Jabot was sued for the tainted face cream, did Ashley own the product lines making her personally liable for the losses?

 

3.  When the haircare line was being developed by other chemists, did Ashley own that product line too?

 

4.  When there were multiple court cases with Gloria over John's will, did Ashley own the product line?