Have I said this before: Fire Sally.  I tuned in for the first five minutes today to see Hillary and Cassie/Mariah go at it.  Horrid.  Tacky, dumb, creative wasteland in the writers' room. 

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

You're right in how imaginary that core audience is. 

Isn't it because they want the middle/conservative America audience 

 

Honestly i think they should promote Minardi and Esser as co head writers. They have been with YR forever give them a shot.

57 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

Isn't it because they want the middle/conservative America audience 

 

Yes. I think that's who advertizers want to market to. 

2 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:

Have I said this before: Fire Sally.

Watch out cause you'll get shade for saying that.

Ugh the whole Mariah/Hillary brawl was bad.  And then Hillary goes over to Devon's just to throw a fit - just so she'll get attention and he'll keep noticing her. 

 

The only thing I did laugh at was during the brawl - Mariah said something like, "Why haven't you slept with his Father again yet?  OH, I forgot, probably because you're not Married!" 

13 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:

Have I said this before: Fire Sally.  I tuned in for the first five minutes today to see Hillary and Cassie/Mariah go at it.  Horrid.  Tacky, dumb, creative wasteland in the writers' room. 

 

Not sure why everyone is having a hissy about the fight.  Cat fights were a soap staple.  Dorian/Vicky, Karen/Dorian, Erika and everyone is what we watched for.  The problem is MARIAH!  Once the fight was over, Mariah sits on the floor alone and tosses her hair like a diva should, but she looked like a kid trying to be a smart ass.  Get CG out of this story NOW!!!  I'm almost out of second hand embarrassment!  

Can they just not really afford stunt doubles anymore??

The writing for Dina has been terrible.

 

It's not difficult to establish Ashley's reasons for hating her WITHOUT acting like she's been totally MIA for the past 30+ years.

Edited May 10, 20178 yr by DeeeDee

2 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Not sure why everyone is having a hissy about the fight.  Cat fights were a soap staple.  Dorian/Vicky, Karen/Dorian, Erika and everyone is what we watched for.  The problem is MARIAH!  Once the fight was over, Mariah sits on the floor alone and tosses her hair like a diva should, but she looked like a kid trying to be a smart ass.  Get CG out of this story NOW!!!  I'm almost out of second hand embarrassment!  

 

It was an embarassment because it sucked. For both actresses who are better than this. Stop blaming CG for everything ...

12 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Watch out cause you'll get shade for saying that.

 

No shade but she's not the sole blame. We could always get someone worse ;)

 

I think there's been a lot of interference. Not saying she's great but she's made the show watchable for me. I have a lot of complaints but I'm not crying for her firing on a regular basis ...

10 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

It was an embarassment because it sucked. For both actresses who are better than this. Stop blaming CG for everything ...

 

No shade but she's not the sole blame. We could always get someone worse

 

I think there's been a lot of interference. Not saying she's great but she's made the show watchable for me. I have a lot of complaints but I'm not crying for her firing on a regular basis ...

 

I'm not blaming CG for everything, only those things for which she is [in]directly responsible. Since when have we hated cat fights on soaps?  

Edited May 10, 20178 yr by ChitHappens

2 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

 

I'm not blaming CG for everything, only those things for which she is [in]directly responsible. Since we have we hated cat fights on soaps?  

 

I agree with this and your post before this....I am one who doesn't like Mariah,  is that not my right?  I also see her as a child and that cannot change.

Edited May 10, 20178 yr by YRestlessfan

22 hours ago, DeeeDee said:

 

It's not even just Black and/or non-Black characters of color. It's any characters who aren't extremely rich, straight, cisgendered, white, able-bodied WASPs.

 

As many of you all have asked before when was the last time Y&R had viable middle class or poor characters? How about disabled characters? Or gay characters? Or trans characters? Or Asians? Or Latinos? Or single parents? Or elderly characters? Or Buddhist characters? Or Muslim characters? Or asexual characters? And so on...

 

There's no variety on Y&R in terms of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, disability, socioeconomic status, etc and the multiple intersections therein.

 

But what single show can represent all of this, all at once?

 

Actually Y& R is realistic on race, and religion, given it's set in WISCONSIN.  That state is almost 90% white, if you took out Milwaukee it'd be closer to 97%, and religiously it's Christian. The little diversity they do have is heavily concentrated in Milwaukee (or the university of Wisconsin Madison campus). And Milwaukee is not a melting pot, it's nothing like blue state cities, it's minority populations are segregated.

 

Y&R has plenty of elderly characters these days. Sharon's mom is disabled, although we haven't seen her for years. I don't know why they don't have gay characters on screen. They let MAB bring back a Phillip Chancellor as gay, so it must have been OK at one time. Gay characters are common on TV these days, so I don't understand that one. But at the same time women aren't given the same rights on Y&R that they get in reality either. The show has went backwards with women. They could be fearless and be in charge before the MAB years.

 

There are a few more wealthy characters than in the early days, but who wants their favorite to lose all their money to make it more realistic?  Sally was voicing that very concern over Devon, who was made so wealthy at such a young age, & some viewers became upset. Some of the characters who used to be poor, or middle class, have become wealthy as the years went on. Jill used to be poor, but acquired wealth over her 43 years on the show, that's realistic. Michael Baldwin became wealthy because he was a lawyer for decades is also realistic. The Abbott and Newman children have grown up and have some of their parents money now, that's realistic too. Maybe they should cut back on all these billionaire visitors, and new characters, such as Tucker and Dina.

13 minutes ago, cattykittens said:

 

But what single show can represent all of this, all at once?

 

Actually Y& R is realistic on race, and religion, given it's set in WISCONSIN.  That state is almost 90% white, if you took out Milwaukee it'd be closer to 97%, and religiously it's Christian. The little diversity they do have is heavily concentrated in Milwaukee (or the university of Wisconsin Madison campus). And Milwaukee is not a melting pot, it's nothing like blue state cities, it's minority populations are segregated.

 

And what percentage of the WI population constitutes the 1%?  How does GC represent the economic reality of most of the population of WI?

 

How many times have I heard people complain that women are wearing miniskirts and stiletto boots in January?  If folks can be forced to believe that how Sharon and Phyllis dress in the dead of winter is representative of how most women in WI dress, why can't we imagine that a city that presents itself as having 3 or 4 billionaire families owning 3 Fortune 500 companies can't be diverse ethnically or socio-economically? 

Oh, I get it, suspend imagination until someone mentions aspects that are uncomfortable for some. Hm.

 

Sharon's off-screen mother doesn't count, she hasn't even been mentioned in years.

Edited May 10, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

While I agree the show needs diversity, not only in race, as social status as well(Every soap is guilty of this), isn't there currently a character on the canvas that is homeless?