I've tried watching a full week of this show and I swear to God it is absolutely mind-numbing. Every other character is boring as hell and that is a generous estimate. Everything about Y&R has been nickel and dimed JFP-style; bars, clubs, restaurants are the businesses. Chelsea and Chloe are the new "businesswomen" running trunk sales or something, and they're both idiots - I warned people Missy Egan, good as she is, can't play heroine. And I know Y&R got away with the atmospheric mental voice-overs back in the day but it is so ridiculous now.

Why does anyone care about Tyler's offscreen ex-girlfriend? Let alone Tyler? Let alone Tyler and Abby? About that creepy blonde chick or her offscreen brother? Or whoever? I can't believe they gave poor Robert Adamson a line like "I'm glad you told me about your other relative, Zach." Who does that? Who writes that? Were they paid for that line? "Your other relative?"

I could wipe out half this show and I still wouldn't be done cleaning it up. Everything about it is lame as [!@#$%^&*]. It's just boring and bad. Bad is one thing. Bad and boring is cardinal sin.

She really can't play a heroine.,,it's almost embarrassing at this point. Either make her crazy or send her on her way.

I feel like I've waited forever for EH to be used and it just never happened. They made the classic mistake of defanging her when she became a mother.

Well, her daughter is no longer amongst the living. Maybe they will use that to do something with her if her fall off her rocker with Connor isn't her exit story.

I've been watching more often lately, and I couldn't agree more. This show is a snooze. The problem is - I just don't care. About anything or anyone. People said that Bill Bell's Y&R was slow, but it was filled with vibrant characters - Nina, Jill, Dru, Victoria, Katherine, Mamie, Jack, Victor, Ashley, Malcolm, minor characters like Flo, Douglas Austin, etc. No one has a personality or real humor on the show now. Where's the wit and cutting lines? The jealousy, the tension? That doesn't mean I want the show to devolve back into MAB-level lunacy, in which the show was overrun with psychopaths, chest-thumping "dudes" and amorality. (It doesn't have to be one or the other.)

And the black characters are particularly boring. I don't need them to be stereotypes, but I really appreciated Dru and Malcolm's ability to "code-switch" - speak one way in the boardroom and speak another when you're around other black folks. I don't need Tyler to become another "Hey Babygirl" Malcolm-type, but a little street swagger would do him well. Same with Devon, Leslie, and even Hilary. I know VR and SM ad-libbed a lot of their material, and perhaps JFP frowns on that or the actors don't even think to do it. But it was what helped to make Y&R's black characters iconic and truthful.

KSJ still adlibs plenty of his lines. I think BJ does it too sometimes. I have heard him say things that I don't think was written (him calling Hilary "girl"). As for code switch, they need to be in the boardroom and shown working to be able to do it. It's a fine line between what some consider truthful and sterotypes. DM tried it and it was a major fail. She took it way too far in her attempt to have Yolanda totally different from Angie.

Not all black folks speak alike. I know in my family my grandmother hated slang so you won't hear a lot of slang from us. It felt so forced when they started adding all that slang into the Winter's dialogue a couple of years ago particularly with Lily and Cane. It just made them sound like they were trying too hard to be down.

Agreed. For some it makes sense, for others it would not. Devon, yes. I don't know enough about Hilary to think she would.

ETA: it's not necessarily slang, but dialect that I think Faulkner is talking about by the way.

Edited January 4, 201411 yr by ajsp35801

Hearing lots of talk about the exterior of the Abbot mansion being shown. Was that on Thursday or Friday's episode?

Hearing lots of talk about the exterior of the Abbot mansion being shown. Was that on Thursday or Friday's episode?

Thursday, the one airing Jan 2 in the United States.

And it looked AWFUL, like some CGI mockup of a house that doesn't get the Abbott mansion right at all. At least when Y&R did the exterior shoot for Mac & Billy's wedding at the Chancellor mansion, someone in the production team clearly killed themselves finding a house that was bang on what Katherine's house would look like.

Thursday, the one airing Jan 2 in the United States.

And it looked AWFUL, like some CGI mockup of a house that doesn't get the Abbott mansion right at all.

I'm sure they stole this from the Sims or sth. like that. It's embarassing (as a screenshot it looks etter than on TV though LMAO!). JFP is truly a great producer...

Good to know that no one even bothered to look at the Abbott mansion set (the front door!!!) before finding this gem.

It looks like it was Angelica McDaniel's idea, she was the one talking about it on Twitter.

Edited January 4, 201411 yr by BetterForgotten

According to her Twitter account the Chancellor mansion is getting an exterior to be revealed on the US Monday episode.

The number of times Angelica McDaniel (who I actually like and think is a refreshing change so far as daytime execs go seeing as she appears to take some pride in her work for CBS Daytime) had to reiterate that it was the Abbott mansion just goes to show how bad this mock up is. And I do think they tried with the front doors themselves...it's just that the rest of the front facade of the house looks absolutely wrong, for one thing there isn't a window in the living room facing outward, that wall has a doorway in it! As well, the house isn't symmetrical as the door leading past the stairs goes towards another hallway.

Just wrong in every way because it is so standard and cookie cutter. Had it been an original (even original in the bad sense) design, it would have been harder to argue, but this one is just a failure based on simple geometry.

I am going to miss Billy Miller like crazy but will not miss MM...maybe behind the scens will be more peaceful without that troublemaker ..sure hope so

If YR is trying to match BB in exterior shots, they need to go back to the drawing board. Not even close! Two different states and climates but still. There are tons of landscaping to capture!

According to her Twitter account the Chancellor mansion is getting an exterior to be revealed on the US Monday episode.

Hopefully they will use the one from a few years back which they probably won't.

On this occasion I want to mention that in the late 90s the show sometimes used exterior shots like randsom green shots to illustrate THE RANCH but there also was MGM Tower from Culver City (???) doubling as the Newman Enterprises Headquarters... But those real filmed shots like they use them on B&B.

As for Angelica McDaniel: she does truely seem into her CBS programms which is a good start and I appreciate it. The holiday programming with 1998 episodes is also a reason to thank her.

I think Angelica has good intentions but still. She should watch some classic episodes to understand how things are done.

If YR is trying to match BB in exterior shots, they need to go back to the drawing board. Not even close! Two different states and climates but still. There are tons of landscaping to capture!

The shot of Forrester Creations is pretty bad. It looks like some white house in the suburbs.

If YR is trying to match BB in exterior shots, they need to go back to the drawing board. Not even close! Two different states and climates but still. There are tons of landscaping to capture!

That's what I thought immediately when I saw it! Why is this exterior show so bad?! In 2014? A film student on a meager budget could've made it look more realistic. There's no excuse for this, ugh.