I wish Jill had been included in the Abbott family gathering. She IS Billy's mother.

The abbott scenes today at the dining room table were so Y and R. Kudos to Shelley Altman for writing those great family scenes and how poignant this storyline. Killing Delia off has been so sad but the acting and twists and turns the story is taking. Y and R had a very flat boring year but there is a level of family history I haven't seen in ages.

Seeing the Abbott family once again gathered around having a family moment reminded me of once again of how cold the Newman family is. They don't ever sit around the dining room table or the living room. All of their family moments consist of whining, being self righteous, talking about Jack, and arguing with each other.

Exactly which is why I hate the Newmans being the central family. They are so cold and rarely do interact unless there is tension. When I think of central families, I like to think about the Hughes, the Bauers, the Corys, the Matthews, the Frames--families that had dysfunction but still had warm moments. I can't remember a warm Newman family moment. Possibly the early '00s was the last time. After '05, they became so dark and malicious.

I guess this is part of the reason why I've been fine with a new family or even a past family (the Foster-Brooks clan) to come back and edge the Newman clan out. Victor, Victoria, Nikki, Adam, and Nick can go. I'm fine with keeping Sharon, Noah, and Faith.

I loved the Abbott scenes today. It would have been nice to see Jill there too. The Abbotts are just a stronger more family oriented group to me. They always seem to pull together in times of crisis and that's why I prefer them. We don't see these kinds of scenes with the Newmans. This is why I've always preferred the Abbotts.

Today's show made it sad for me to think that Summer is finally reaching out to the Abbott's, just to have that rug pulled out from under her soon.

Today's show made it sad for me to think that Summer is finally reaching out to the Abbott's, just to have that rug pulled out from under her soon.

She was an absolute bitch to Jack for months so it was refreshing to see her finally reach out to that family. Jack, Traci and Abby have been nothing but gracious to her for the past few months.

As for the Newman family for awhile Victor was treating his dog better than the rest of his family. They don't even try to humanize him via the dog anymore either.

The lack of Jill in Abbott family scenes is so frustrating. Long after her divorce from John, Jill was always a part of the family...that this involves Billy directly makes it an even more glaring omission.

The lack of Jill in Abbott family scenes is so frustrating. Long after her divorce from John, Jill was always a part of the family...that this involves Billy directly makes it an even more glaring omission.

Exactly. If these characters were still written IN character, I could picture Jack answering the door and sardonically asking Jill what she's doing there. Jill would walk in, saying "What do you think?" and Jack would shut up and grin because, ultimately, she is part of the family. She and Traci would exchange polite hellos and Jill would proceed to try to run the meeting, asking what they're going to do, while Jack would tell her to hold her horses or something equally Jack-ish. Or at least that sounds good in my head

Edited October 29, 201312 yr by YRBB

Exactly. If these characters were still written IN character, I could picture Jack answering the door and sardonically asking Jill what she's doing there. Jill would walk in, saying "What do you think?" and Jack would shut up and grin because, ultimately, she is part of the family. She and Traci would exchange polite hellos and Jill would proceed to try to run the meeting, asking what they're going to do, while Jack would tell her to hold her horses or something equally Jack-ish. Or at least that sounds good in my head

Doesn't just sound good in your head, it sounds good on paper and it sounds good in my view as well. I'd just add that if Ashley were there she'd be the only one in the room to side with Jill's opinion, knowing that she's often right. THAT is how an Abbott family scene should be constructed and it is such piss poor writing that the characters who should be interacting aren't.

Edited October 29, 201312 yr by DaytimeFan

Doesn't just sound good in your head, it sounds good on paper and it sounds good in my view as well. I'd just add that if Ashley were there she'd be the only one in the room to side with Jill's opinion, knowing that she's often right. THAT is how an Abbott family scene should be constructed and it is such piss poor writing that the characters who should be interacting aren't.

Absolutely. You just know Ashley would throw Jill a couple of shady looks, but she'd grudgingly agree. Jack would keep throwing jabs at Jill, at which point Traci's mouth would drop and she would "scold" Jack. Ashley would respond: "Traci's right, Jack. We're here to talk about Billy" or whatever. Jack would apologize. Jill would gloat and then go back to mourning. They would get on with the topic at hand.

Y&R was so good, these scenes write themselves. There's not even any effort. The relationships and dynamics so well defined, whole sequences are born of them. I fear the show is so bad it's not only that characters who should be interacting aren't. It's the fact that, even if they did, they wouldn't interact the way they ought to.

And now I am sad about this show all over again.

Edited October 29, 201312 yr by YRBB

Exactly which is why I hate the Newmans being the central family. They are so cold and rarely do interact unless there is tension.

The Newmans haven't been the same since Heather Tom left.

The Newmans were cold but they were definitely (in large part due to Heather's Victoria) a family.

Edited October 29, 201312 yr by DeeeDee

Exactly. If these characters were still written IN character, I could picture Jack answering the door and sardonically asking Jill what she's doing there. Jill would walk in, saying "What do you think?" and Jack would shut up and grin because, ultimately, she is part of the family. She and Traci would exchange polite hellos and Jill would proceed to try to run the meeting, asking what they're going to do, while Jack would tell her to hold her horses or something equally Jack-ish. Or at least that sounds good in my head

+1.

It's amazing we got phenom y and r classic Abbott scenes today written by Shelley altman and we are complaining. This Story as hard to watch is resonating riveting drama that demands our attention.

It's amazing we got phenom y and r classic Abbott scenes today written by Shelley altman and we are complaining. This Story as hard to watch is resonating riveting drama that demands our attention.

Nope. This storyline hasn't got my attention at all. It is cheap and easy paint by numbers kill off a child for Sweeps that the audience didn't really give a damn about writing.

And they were hardly phenomenal or classic Abbott family scenes for the very reasons YRBB and I have pointed out.

It's amazing we got phenom y and r classic Abbott scenes today written by Shelley altman and we are complaining. This Story as hard to watch is resonating riveting drama that demands our attention.

Uh, it waas alright, but it wasnt all that LOL. Wouldnt these scenes still be JGs and SAs, since you stated Passante's material doesnt start til december?

Anywho, LOL @ some fans biotching that Sharon should be involved in the Delia story since Nick gets to comfort Billy, Sharon should be able to do the same for Chloe snce she too lost a daughter.......uh r these people watching the smae show LOL! Chloe has Traci amd Ashley, not Sharon who to this day aint dealing with the deathn of her daughter to well!