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Y&R Discussion Thread October 2013

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The piss poor, bland, unexciting, unoriginal, hacked up writing at Y&R has been the problem, and will continue to be the problem. Regardless of who the EP is, be it Ed Scott, David Shaughnessy, Jack Smith, LML, MAB, Paul Rauch, Griffith or JFP, at Y&R it really is the HW who makes or breaks the show, that the EP is now given the authority to hire the HW (which never happened in the Bell days) is where we find a causal link between JFP and the bad writing at the show.

I disagree to a minor extent because if the product looks & sounds right I'm at least somewhat more forgiving to the writing. That's why I liked some of the previous writer/producer combos a lot better. What we are seeing is the most generic and DATED show I have ever seen. You could show 90s episode of Another World or early 2000 episodes of GH you had basically the same music and montages garbage, same look and even recycled storylines. But as you said; it mostly comes down to a SONY mandate to make this show look UNLIKE Y&R. Which is astounding as it is #1 and the rest was cancelled or still is on the brink of being cancelled after JFP had her magic done...

Add someone at CBS who as posiitve spirited as she is has confessed she NEVER saw Y&R prior to her job and therefore has zero idea what Y&R SHOULD BE and WAS and you have a recipe for disaster. Barbara Bloom was a major hack b*tch herself but at least had some knowledge about Y&R as a brand.

That said; I'll now be watching this week's episodes. Time to prove me wrong dear writers and producers. I don't think they will though.

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That said; I'll now be watching this week's episodes. Time to prove me wrong dear writers and producers. I don't think they will though.

Maybe you should wait until Piss' magic begins to take place. :rolleyes:

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I thought briefly about why it appeared this thread was becoming fractious. Then it dawned on me reading through the last few pages. We have a poster (or two) being optimistic about the show's future, championing the new team, who I don't believe we have seen their material realised on screen. And that's good, as long as there is caution and realism attached to that optimism.

I'm inclined to believe we are seeing tweaks of Josh Griffith's outline (I say outline because there appears to be more than a little Jill Farren Phelps influence) diverting stories slightly in order to position it all for when Jean Passanante arrives (in the credits), so I'm not sure we can completely laud Shelley Altman for everything we're seeing. Or barrack, depending on your view.

On the other hand, we have posters who are products of the saying 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'. The aforementioned Executive Producer (as with most and with most writers, Aaron Sorkin springs to mind) has her own style, a bag-o-tricks that she turns to. For example, UK producer Paul Marquess has a 'shock, sex and (almost sleazy IMO) scandal' style that has followed him from Brookside to The Bill to Footballer's Wives to Hollyoaks. It is what he is known for. You know what you get with him but he also brings an initial rating's spike. The spike inivariably breaks down when it all gets too much for the viewer.

What I'm saying is with this new team, it will take time and a noticeable shift in quality for people to be won around. They have a lot convincing to do, especially Jill Farren Phelps and Jean Passanante, who's track records are polarising. Whether in the name of positivity or being contrary, trying to change people's minds before they've seen for themselves won't garner the most ideal response.

Perhaps it's more to do with the fact that I haven't been 'exposed' to the traits of any of the trio, but I'm adopting a 'wait and see' approach to all of this. I'm hopeful others are as well.

Oh, and one more thing, I'm still not best pleased with the un-Y&R production ticks (camera work, editing and especially the music) on the show. It feels like a the cast of a big West End production being plonked in my local community centre as bingo is being called in the next room. No matter how good the acting is, it just doesn't feel like the real thing. Only my opinion, though. The ratings would seem to indicate that something is working for now.

Plus, I may be reading things the wrong way, but is there an underlining taunting of posters regarding Phelps being EP, a kind of 'crow/say all you want, she's going nowhere'? I would hope not.

Great to see you on this thread and read your balanced take and Voice of Reason!

Seriously, though, a lof of people here (DF, Sheila forever most recently) have been bending over backwards to analyse current Y&R objectively, to look for the good andnot just the bad. At the end of the day, though, you can only go on feeling, on your gut, and for many of us, Y&R doesn't feel right. It feels fake. It feels like it is masquerading as something else. It feels like it is trying to be another show.

And any criticism that JFP is getting about her production technique is entirely warranted IMO. It is not misogyny to say that the EP who has always sold herself on her taste, her visual and musical talents, could make Y&R look and sound so mediocre. I have never seen so many muddy, pond-green colours on my screen (the glare of which makes the actors look tired and sickly). I have never seen so many sets look so warehouse-ish. The music (apart from the magnificent Nadia's Theme) is offensively generic. Only wardrobe appears to have improved somewhat -- JW hasn't looked this put together since the Jack Smith days.

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Great to see you on this thread and read your balanced take and Voice of Reason!

Seriously, though, a lof of people here (DF, Sheila forever most recently) have been bending over backwards to analyse current Y&R objectively, to look for the good andnot just the bad. At the end of the day, though, you can only go on feeling, on your gut, and for many of us, Y&R doesn't feel right. It feels fake. It feels like it is masquerading as something else. It feels like it is trying to be another show.

And any criticism that JFP is getting about her production technique is entirely warranted IMO. It is not misogyny to say that the EP who has always sold herself on her taste, her visual and musical talents, could make Y&R look and sound so mediocre. I have never seen so many muddy, pond-green colours on my screen (the glare of which makes the actors look tired and sickly). I have never seen so many sets look so warehouse-ish. The music (apart from the magnificent Nadia's Theme) is offensively generic. Only wardrobe appears to have improved somewhat -- JW hasn't looked this put together since the Jack Smith days.

Very kind words.

Me, the Voice of Reason? Goodness me, I have heard it all now. 😁

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As I haven't written anything positive in a Y&R thread in quite a while, I'll say that the Delia memorial episode was VERY good. The acting was spot on - minus LIz Hendricksen with whose cold acting I have a problem with - and the writing was really solid. Nice character moments such as Esther and Jill acknoledging Kay and John Abbott passing the torch onto Jack (BTW: This would be a GREAT end for GhostJohn...) and some good lines. It can be so easy. I could even tolerate Chelsea and Anita.

I wil not comment on anything else from last week as this shall be a positive note. LOL

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As I haven't written anything positive in a Y&R thread in quite a while, I'll say that the Delia memorial episode was VERY good. The acting was spot on - minus LIz Hendricksen with whose cold acting I have a problem with - and the writing was really solid. Nice character moments such as Esther and Jill acknoledging Kay and John Abbott passing the torch onto Jack (BTW: This would be a GREAT end for GhostJohn...) and some good lines. It can be so easy. I could even tolerate Chelsea and Anita.

I wil not comment on anything else from last week as this shall be a positive note. LOL

I hope you're not feeling bad for expressing a very well founded concern on the state of Y&R. When a show is bad, it's bad. I don't understand this sudden demand that we PRAISE something, whatever that may be, just as long as we stop complaining about the fact that this show is at the bottom of the bottom.

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I don't think anyone is demanding that you like something you clearly don't. The point is that if someone wants to be positive, let them.

I would love nothing more than for Craptini to gone from GH, but I won't tell someone else to shove it for being positive.

Some want to believe that YR will improve. With Jean Passante, I highly doubt it, but I lose nothing by someone else's enthusiasm.

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I don't think anyone is demanding that you like something you clearly don't. The point is that if someone wants to be positive, let them.

I would love nothing more than for Craptini to gone from GH, but I won't tell someone else to shove it for being positive.

Some want to believe that YR will improve. With Jean Passante, I highly doubt it, but I lose nothing by someone else's enthusiasm.

Thank you for the response, but I disagree with you. :)

It is a demand, in the form of repetitive, continuous, almost troll-like posts with the same message: Material I haven't yet seen is edgy, wonderful, romantic, controversial, etc, etc, etc. That cannot be denied because it is part of public record right here on this board. Do you see how that is more delusional and less positive?

If, instead, what I saw was posts like Sheila's, who commented on something they liked or expressions of HOPE for future material (once or twice, not countless, obsessive posts) then I could say that THAT is positivity and would love to see more. What's going on here is not being positive, which is the whole problem.

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Thank you for the response, but I disagree with you. :)

It is a demand, in the form of repetitive, continuous, almost troll-like posts with the same message: Material I haven't yet seen is edgy, wonderful, romantic, controversial, etc, etc, etc. That cannot be denied because it is part of public record right here on this board. Do you see how that is more delusional and less positive?

If, instead, what I saw was posts like Sheila's, who commented on something they liked or expressions of HOPE for future material (once or twice, not countless, obsessive posts) then I could say that THAT is positivity and would love to see more. What's going on here is not being positive, which is the whole problem.

Actually if u are discussing my posts they are pointing out the direction I am seeing young and restless go in. Right now no storyline has more comments, buzz or talk then Delia's death. I need to recogonize the fabulous performances I am seeing and give props to Ms. Altman for taking this story by storm and churning out compelling television. If u don't like reading these posts u can always ignore them.

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Thank you for the response, but I disagree with you. smile.png

It is a demand, in the form of repetitive, continuous, almost troll-like posts with the same message: Material I haven't yet seen is edgy, wonderful, romantic, controversial, etc, etc, etc. That cannot be denied because it is part of public record right here on this board. Do you see how that is more delusional and less positive?

If, instead, what I saw was posts like Sheila's, who commented on something they liked or expressions of HOPE for future material (once or twice, not countless, obsessive posts) then I could say that THAT is positivity and would love to see more. What's going on here is not being positive, which is the whole problem.

+1. And there's plenty of us who see this situation exactly the way you do.

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