I have to say I was impressed with Amelia Heinle's supporting work today and especially her crying in the final scene with Chloe. She was believable as someone who was completely overwhelmed and gutted by the situation but was trying to keep it together for Billy.

Chloe is not in the 20s group. She's in the 30s group with Billy,Kevin, Chelsea, Leslie,etc

Never did I say Noah is 18. He's early to mid 20s along with Kyle and not in the same age group as Billy and Chloe.

And what age group are lily and Devon in? What about Tyler? Noah's new BFF. Billy has been aged horribly with this association with Victoria. And Kevin is a manchild, I will give you that. He is at least 35. But I don't think Chloe is too old for Noah. One thing this discussion does is remind me how fluid ages are on a soap.

You say Noah age range needs beefing up and I disagree. Lily, Devon, Kyle, Tyler, Noah' Hilary, Mason, excluding Billy, Chloe, Adam, and Chelsea whom I would put there (just by knowing when they were born and history). That is more than enough. The 20 something's and early 30 something's can co-mingle...but I don't care to see Victoria, Nick, Avery, or Neil with them at all. These people are over 40.

I don't see any reason that these people have to be sequestered in their respective age groups. Not sure that Noah and Chloe would be that interesting, but Victor/Nikki wouldn't even exist if people couldn't date out of their age groups.

Side question: what makes a pairing interesting?

It's called being optimistic about y and r s future. I am showing certain examples of jeans strengths. One example of how she does gut wrenching drama is she personally wrote all the dialogue for Bianca's coming out story on Amc. Those scenes when Bianca told Erica she was gay would give anyone goosebumps from head to toe.

That was Agnes Nixon

Hey when JFP did her oltl storyline hit number 1 in demos and big ratings increases

Then they fell and she did irreversible damage

And what age group are lily and Devon in? What about Tyler? Noah's new BFF. Billy has been aged horribly with this association with Victoria. And Kevin is a manchild, I will give you that. He is at least 35. But I don't think Chloe is too old for Noah. One thing this discussion does is remind me how fluid ages are on a soap.

You say Noah age range needs beefing up and I disagree. Lily, Devon, Kyle, Tyler, Noah' Hilary, Mason, excluding Billy, Chloe, Adam, and Chelsea whom I would put there (just by knowing when they were born and history). That is more than enough. The 20 something's and early 30 something's can co-mingle...but I don't care to see Victoria, Nick, Avery, or Neil with them at all. These people are over 40.

Most of the people in the 20s age groups are males. Lily is untouchable because of Cane and the two kids so that leaves Hilary and Abby. That age group could use at least one more female.

And I notice you have a double standard. You want the 20s group to intermix with the 30s group but don't want the characters in their 40s with the ones in their 30s.

Jean Passanante on her twitter got back from secily and she's refreshed for her first week. I think it's no coincendce that when she rejoined oltl in late 2010 for its last year that she helped Ron a lot with attention to detail and structure. Before her return the show was terrible and oltl went roaring last year. Two other strengths she has is organization and an attention to detail. Y and R needs a reinassaince in a way.

How do you actually know these things? Were you in the OLTL writers' room and witnessed Jean supposedly helping Ron with "attention to detail and structure"? Otherwise, you're making a huge assumption that she had anything to do One Life's creative improvements during its last year. Maybe other writers in the room were more influential than Jean. Maybe Ron hit a creative stride on his own. Maybe, maybe, maybe. There are as many scenarios as the mind can come up with. And yet you seem well connected to what happened with Ron and Jean's working relationship. What gives?

I am really enjoying Y&R lately. It's an ongoing story, people. GREAT job, Jill Farren Phelps! I like JFP, I support her, and I couldn't care less what people say about her. Ratings are up and in a good place.

Most of the people in the 20s age groups are males. Lily is untouchable because of Cane and the two kids so that leaves Hilary and Abby. That age group could use at least one more female.

And I notice you have a double standard. You want the 20s group to intermix with the 30s group but don't want the characters in their 40s with the ones in their 30s.

paired with someone in his own age range IMO. he and lily should definitely break up. But I am sure in order for the writers to consider her viable, the twins would have to die.

Nope...I must have not made myself clear. I don't mind the people in their 30's mingling with people in their 40's...what I meant was people in their 20's shouldn't be paired with people in their 40's. Like Neil and Hilary...or Sharon and Kyle. Even Devon and Sharon...Uhm, just no!

I agree that most people in their 20's are males. But that is not just limited to that group. This show is over run with males in general and in every age group.

I don't think lily is untouchable. Cane should be paired with someone in his own age range IMO. he and lily should definitely break up. But I am sure in order for the writers to consider her viable, the twins would have to die.

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Most men in their 20s who are young and having fun like Tyler and Noah aren't going to want to play dad to twins. They had to pretend those kids didn't exist to try and repair Lily with Daniel and it didn't work. Even when Tyler had his crush on Lily people were wondering why'd he'd want this woman with extra baggage when random models were throwing themselves at him. The kids make Lily untouchable to the guys in her age range.

Most men in their 20s who are young and having fun like Tyler and Noah aren't going to want to play dad to twins. They had to pretend those kids didn't exist to try and repair Lily with Daniel and it didn't work. Even when Tyler had his crush on Lily people were wondering why'd he'd want this woman with extra baggage when random models were throwing themselves at him. The kids make Lily untouchable to the guys in her age range.

Wasn't Nick playing Dad to Cassie and a father to Noah in his early 20s? Soaps have long had young rich guys jumping on the Daddy train long before they might want to in real life (Will on ATWT also comes to mind & Hope never seemed like an obstacle to Starr's love life on OLTL).

Most men in their 20s who are young and having fun like Tyler and Noah aren't going to want to play dad to twins. They had to pretend those kids didn't exist to try and repair Lily with Daniel and it didn't work. Even when Tyler had his crush on Lily people were wondering why'd he'd want this woman with extra baggage when random models were throwing themselves at him. The kids make Lily untouchable to the guys in her age range.

I don't buy this for one second. Single women with kids date just as much as single women without kids. They didn't have to pretend Delia didn't exist when Chloe was with Chance or Kevin. Matter of fact, Delia played a big part in their courtship. Same for Daniel and Heather. Tyler and Lily do not have to be handled any different. Unless there is just something about lily and Tyler that is different that you think calls for different writing which I do not see. Enlighten me.

Wasn't Nick playing Dad to Cassie and a father to Noah in his early 20s? Soaps have long had young rich guys jumping on the Daddy train long before they might want to in real life (Will on ATWT also comes to mind & Hope never seemed like an obstacle to Starr's love life on OLTL).

Thank You...this is nothing new.

Edited October 15, 201312 yr by ajsp35801

I actually thought Daniel and Lily's reunion worked perfectly. I liked that they played up the fact that he was uncomfortable around kids and didn't sweep it under the rug. The only bad part of this story was when Cane returned from the dead and Lily went back to being a weak zombie.

I actually thought Daniel and Lily's reunion worked perfectly. I liked that they played up the fact that he was uncomfortable around kids and didn't sweep it under the rug. The only bad part of this story was when Cane returned from the dead and Lily went back to being a weak zombie.

Except they didn't play up him being uncomfortable around her kids. People called out that hypocrisy because he had no problem pretending not to recognize his kid yet decided to get back with Lily who had kids. And then they just stopped showing her kids around him. And the examples you guys brought up do not feature multiple children. There's just no skirting around the fact that Lily has a ready made family when everyone else in her age group onscreen is young and childfree.

Wasn't Nick playing Dad to Cassie and a father to Noah in his early 20s?

Oh, he complained, and bitched, and moaned about having a family a lot before he ever accepted it.

^{The whole age thang is moot on Y&R, because there is not one age "appropriate" couple on the show right now and Bill Bell never cared all that much bout it either imo.}