Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Yeah, I just can't get behind it, as much as I like Starr being proactive, that whole shtick, with Todd being more proud and amazed at his daughter than worried, Starr suddenly being as brilliant as any doctor with her doctor language, etc, etc, was just too much for me. And how did they escape through the police station to get to Todd's house? Did she pretend she was a social worker taking Todd out for a stroll? Nah, it's that Todd has an amazing hypnotic connection to get Starr to do all sorts of unreasonable crimes to help him out. Oh, I did like the Clint/Brody stuff... And I liked Natalie finally getting it all out on Jessica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TeamEric Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Did you by chance ever watch "Soap" or "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman?" I'm coming to the conclusion RC doesn't just love CAMPY SOAPY stuff, he also relishes SATIRIZING soap like those two shows did. He takes a soap cliche and MOCKS it far too often to be a coincidence. Take Liam's paternity secret, he's made a JOKE out of so many near misses. Too often, RC wants me to laugh AT the stupidity of the characters. The sledgehammer OTT obviousness to his writing is on purpose. He's winking at the audience, yes YOU are all so much SMARTER than my dumb as a box of hair characters. One of the few times RC allowed a character to put together the clues onscreen in a clever way was TSJ's Todd realizing Dani was his daughter in their first scenes together. Alas, John and Natalie have the clues staring them in the face with Marty, tapes, DNA lab tampering and they just ignore them. RC mocks their blindness for far too long and yes I find it frustrating too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 when Clint said Brody bailed out on Ryder bc he couldnt accept a kid that isnt his....what a rewrite. I guess we are to forget that he was willing to stick with Jessica despite Ford being the fathter and tried to fight for that boy Irene and her minion didnt even try to hide the bomb. It was out in plain sight. I mean at least try to put some leaves over it or something yeah that was 2004 when TSJ was in the role after Blair accused him of rape. OLTL fail. They made a big deal of seperating the 2 men as 2 seperate characters with their own history but now they have RH recalling stuff that happened under the other Todd? WTF are we even going through this story if they are just gonna do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Yes I love Soap (well the first two seasons) and have seen a big chunk of Mary Hrtman, Mary Hrtman which was rerun for a bit, late night when I was a teen. As you know, I'm in complete agreement with you on this. It's gotten to the point it does feel like satire, and we should be smacking the characters on the backside of the head. And you're right--it completely makes the characters look, well, stupid. There's a lot of stuff on soaps where it is obvious to audiences, but you understand why and how the characters would miss it. But when it gets this extreme, they just look like fools bumbling around. (And under RC, often missing the same blatant clue repeated OVER AND OVER). *shakes head*, truly unexsusable. I know soaps are written VERY quickly, but... And RC was on the writing team back then, as was Cascio (with FV as EP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rhinohide Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Agreed. I never gave two hoots about Marty until she lost her baby and then Cole. I felt sympathy for her and then when the conflict with Natalie began, I could see where her motivation was. I remained on Team Natalie, but I could sympathize with Marty and kind of root for her too. They spoiled it by making her go all stabby, but I even kind of understood that. And I still felt sorry for her. I knew this woman had survived horrible tragedy in her life before all these latest blows came, and I could understand why she snapped and why she fixated on Natalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Antoyne Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 You have got to be kidding me?! So Uh what is it then, Irene also transferred some of Victor's memories to Todd? Or are we supposed to think Starr from the very beginning only had awful times with Victor. Just plain stupid lazy writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 I hated Marty going all stabby (LOL!) but actually I agree with the rest of that too--good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TeamEric Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Smart college student Starr who knows the chemistry behind disappearing ink worked for me. Pre lobotomy Starr was pretty savvy about weird stuff like that. I enjoy Starr being pro-active. In fact, if this entire plan had been her own idea and carried out without Todd's consent, it would be easier to get behind it. I can buy she recklessly endangers her freedom to save daddy. But, today was just more of that callous SOB dad from 2001-2002 who took such pride in corrupting his daughter and making her a criminal, too. Since writers refuse to pen Starr suffering any real life consequences, it becomes a LARK and fans are encouraged to want more Todd & Starr partners in crime scenes. I'd like this time to see Starr get a real criminal rap sheet, and face a real judge who gives her probation but a warning that next time she'll lose custody of Hope. Starr isn't a little kid who can get excused anymore. She's an adult and needs to face adult consequences for her actions. Just as Jack does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TeamEric Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Smart college student Starr who knows the chemistry behind disappearing ink worked for me. Pre lobotomy Starr was pretty savvy about weird stuff like that. I enjoy Starr being pro-active. In fact, if this entire plan had been her own idea and carried out without Todd's consent, it would be easier to get behind it. I can buy she recklessly endangers her freedom to save daddy. But, today was just more of that callous SOB dad from 2001-2002 who took such pride in corrupting his daughter and making her a criminal, too. Since writers refuse to pen Starr suffering any real life consequences, it's just dismissed as a LARK and fans are encouraged to want more Todd & Starr partners in crime scenes. I'd like this time to see Starr get a real criminal rap sheet, and face a real judge who gives her probation but a warning that next time she'll lose custody of Hope. Starr isn't a little kid who can get excused anymore. She's an adult and needs to face adult consequences for her actions. Just as Jack does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 That would have worked better for me--if Starr had figured out she needed Todd out, etc, on her own and done this--not been practically emotionally blackmailed by her dad to put herself in danger, etc, etc. What a great dad--makes his daughter feel like she doesn't love him unless she breaks him out of prison--small request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members TeamEric Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Oh good, then you know what I refer to as Mary was often as dumb as a box of hair and missing this huge clues smacking her in the face OVER and OVER and the extreme closeups of the clues was overdone all the time, too. It was funny to watch as SATIRE but um not good SOAP. RC's characters are like the old keystone cops racing around in circles looking like bumbling idiots. I actually cringe sometimes at how badly he outright MOCKS his characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members HeedTheMessenger2.0 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Love Tina! LOVE the Jess/Nat fight, mostly because someone really needs to stick it to Jessica - she's such a bitch! Are we supposed to hate her???? Ugh... just no redemption. Liked the Irene/Manning/Lord drama. This is the first time I've liked Starr in forever... this is the Starr I like, not mushy-gushy-mother Starr. Bring on the feist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris B Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 If you just start with Passions, GL and ATWT, you can't convince me there isn't a popular and dynamic actress (within their price range!) that doesn't make sense for Irene. Her part in the story has been under-written and ruined by this terrible actress. I hope if she remains with Prospect Park they recast. HATE HATE HATE HATED that reunion with Tina. Andrea Evans showed a dark, serious side in her one-episode return to Y&R. Then she went to B&B and made something of a character that was forgotten. Tawny was a big part in making Amber's return a success. She did camp DONE RIGHT. None of this writing, the clothes, the wig is Tina. That dog is not Tina. She's a big joke. Ron isn't even staying true to what HE wrote for Tina. He says he's a big fan, but it's as if he never watched the show in the 80s and 90s. At first I thought the over the top look was a fake out and after she fainted we were going to get a deeply emotional reunion with Irene. Show us WHY Tina ended up how she is. Show her love for her mother, then show her PAIN for the loss and betrayal. Give me SOMETHING! I was given nothing and Tina is the most crucial character in Irene's story since she's one of the only ones who knew her. I have been enjoying OLTL, but this is ridiculous. They KNEW how bad Tina's last return was and this is what we get?! She should've just stayed at B&B! I'd rather NO Tina return than this and that includes if the show was really canceled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 28, 2011 Members Share Posted September 28, 2011 Yeah, it does seem like they're writing her the same as the last time--which I thought everyone admitted was something of a mistake... I don't think there's any real chance of Irene lasting till january. She's already gone to Mitch proportions and that can only last a few months (woot maybe we'll get ANOTHING murder mysterdy! Thrilling!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scotty Posted September 29, 2011 Author Members Share Posted September 29, 2011 Not to mention, sampling Ford's wiener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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