If you go back and look at the original post, my larger point was not the house which I don't think I even mentioned at the time, it was the glamorization and romanticization of this man who had re-raped Marty and then laughed in her face, abused Starr and Dani and then marginalized all of it. He was touted as a local hero for ridding the world of far worse insta-villains and threw a bash for himself. And the show presented it as a romantic public affair for Todd and his family. Good old Todd. He's not so bad! Champagne wishes and caviar dreams! Oh, look, the Empire State Building! (Well, that was the previous summer that they did their romantic field trip)

You did mention it

And Kelly, and Viki and Clint and Jessica and...well, the list goes on. It is nowhere near the kind of aura that surrounded Todd in the old days. The Todd of the last several years is domesticated despite some unbelievably atrocious actions - he invites people to engagement parties for himself and his bride (in the house where he raped Marty) so they can enjoy the musical stylings of his new daughter, after he has just saved the town from a violent serial killer. People weep at his bedside as he is shot by a sniper or beaten up by the son of his rape victim; Sure, he's bad...but this guy who dislikes him is worse! We should've trusted Todd all along! Quick, everyone rush to help him save the day! He has become Sonny Corinthos. It's Frons's ABC.

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So I did. The above point stands. You can argue about where it happened, or you can argue about the show has treated that piece of [!@#$%^&*] since the rapemance. I understand why you might want to focus on the location.

I thought they also renewed their vows in the fall, after Tea was rescued from Eli and Greg. If I'm wrong, so be it, but that whole party they did at the Rapehaus with Dani singing, etc. goes back to my original point - coronation of a unrepentant sociopath as the town saint who saves us from the "real" bad guys in his house o' rape. See also: Sonny Corinthos.

As for Todd LORD, Marty was KISSING HIS ASS that's how romanticized he was in 1995. In contrast, Marty has SPIT on Todd the last 3 years so right there is a huge difference. Hel

Cheap21 rightly pointed out you've changed your points to suit your spin several times and you keep messing up all these details too.

1) they didn't renew their vows really. They had Viki teasingly pronounce them man and back from the dead wife.

2) The party wasn't at Todd's house. It was held at the Palace.

I don't care to bother to debate further with someone who doesn't watch the show closely or remember it correctly as I find that selective memory thing most annoying about these endless debates with you.

Ugh please recast Jack, the actor is AWFUL

I like him

I like him

He needs an acting coach to help him out. I saw an interview with him and he seems like a very nice young man. He seems very shy in person too.

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AT is so cute and he has perfect teeth. Can't act though. lol

AT is so cute and he has perfect teeth. Can't act though. lol

Teeth?..lol. I have never noticed his teeth...lol

Andrew is better than the Destiny actress..talk about awful.

Teeth?..lol. I have never noticed his teeth...lol

Andrew is better than the Destiny actress..talk about awful.

I dont get it. She was awful when she started but kinda improved when I started watching again last summer. She's back to being awful again and I dont know why she's regressed instead of getting better

I dont get it. She was awful when she started but kinda improved when I started watching again last summer. She's back to being awful again and I dont know why she's regressed instead of getting better

For some reason this made me laugh. I never saw her improve. Why does she act and talk like a baby when she says her lines. She is just horrid.

For some reason this made me laugh. I never saw her improve. Why does she act and talk like a baby when she says her lines. She is just horrid.

You never saw her improve but didnt you not watch the show till recently? Did you watch her when she first joined and had that to compare to her when they did her storyline with Greg? I thought she was better for that stuff. Not great, but definetly not cringeworthy.

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You never saw her improve but didnt you not watch the show till recently? Did you watch her when she first joined and had that to compare to her when they did her storyline with Greg? I thought she was better for that stuff. Not great, but definetly not cringeworthy.

I did see her doing the whole Greg stuff. I guess she was ok. It wasn't anything special. I would have already recast with another better actress.

It would have been interesting to see the writing for RHTodd if OLTL continued considering he's being portrayed as a man who simply wants to reclaim his life. With Starr saying the way he acted during the Cole era isn't the man she remembered, clearly they're distancing his characterization of Todd from TSJ's and making him sympathetic. Which is a far cry from his darker history. The writing for TandB would be just as interesting since their entire relationship is based in dysfunction. They definitely would have had to find the right balance to stay true to the character and T/B with this reincarnation of a gentler Todd who needs McBain's help to solve his problems.

I dont get it. She was awful when she started but kinda improved when I started watching again last summer. She's back to being awful again and I dont know why she's regressed instead of getting better

There are all kinds of actors on this show who never get any better, or who get worse and worse. I assume there are no acting coaches or anyone to help with talent.

And of course the ways soaps are done to be cheaper on budget (and we all know OLTL is the most under budget tv show in the history of tv) means far less rehearsal time, etc, which is ok for vets with the genre, not for green characters. I DID think Destiny improved (not a ton, but she got watchable)--I think part of the prob is she doesn't handle heavy material well. As for Jack I actually thought he was SLIGHTLY improving a few weeks back, but the past while he's been back to his sing song "I just memorised this" line readings.

I won't even start how annoyed I am about this rewriting of Todd's past--everyone suddenly realizing how NuTodd was doing all this kinda stuff oldTodd wouldn't? Please, in what world. NuTodd did play it more aloof, though I think that was partly cuz TSJ had some so left field storylines that there was no other way to play it. But as others have mentioned, what about RH's Todd exit story with Victor and the heart? Will that get mentioned? (Did Carlivati even have a story in mind when he had Dorian say something we never heard to Vicki about Victor at Asa's Funeral?

That said, credit where due, I've enjoyed watching this week (Ghost Gigi aside) and Carivati HAS connected the Two Todd story loose strings better than I expected him to do.

And of course the ways soaps are done to be cheaper on budget (and we all know OLTL is the most under budget tv show in the history of tv) means far less rehearsal time, etc, which is ok for vets with the genre, not for green characters. I DID think Destiny improved (not a ton, but she got watchable)--I think part of the prob is she doesn't handle heavy material well. As for Jack I actually thought he was SLIGHTLY improving a few weeks back, but the past while he's been back to his sing song "I just memorised this" line readings.

I somewhat agree with this. I don't think SE is THAT bad, but there is a lot of room for improvement. AT as you said has slightly improved, but he has his work cut out for him.

I won't even start how annoyed I am about this rewriting of Todd's past--everyone suddenly realizing how NuTodd was doing all this kinda stuff oldTodd wouldn't? Please, in what world. NuTodd did play it more aloof, though I think that was partly cuz TSJ had some so left field storylines that there was no other way to play it.

If you've read other boards, people have been say all along that NuTodd does things Todd wouldn't do. Todd hasn't been written that great for a long time.