On 5/30/2021 at 10:58 PM, FrenchBug82 said:

The process of change has been so slow that I had almost forgotten but Eric Braeden was such a dynamic presence back then. He wasn't always doing the cold mumbly thing he does most of the time now.
 

EB was on fire this time...personally I feel that it had to do with the stellar writing then. I love how he kept slamming that notebook.

15 hours ago, kalbir said:

I've blocked out Ashley's 1996-1999 storylines from my mind. Worst recast ever, even moreso than Eddie Winslow.

Agree.. most of the time she seemed bland.

Y&R - Mari Jo hurries up to get to the Abbott’s mansion before Blade does (1995)

 

Y&R - Mari Jo and Jill get to know each other (1995)

Y&R - Mari Jo tell’s Rick to stay away from Ashley (1995)

more great and rare videos uploaded to YT.. 

 

Edited June 1, 20214 yr by asafi

23 hours ago, allmc2008 said:

I'm binging 1998. I started at June and now I'm in mid-July.  I absolutely LOVE Sharon. It's so sad that they trashed the character by giving her an insulting story.

I feel like the first insulting story was having her make a move on Victor in 2003. I don't know why, but it was gross. 02/03 was the worst so many horrible things happened during that period. 

1 hour ago, will81 said:

I feel like the first insulting story was having her make a move on Victor in 2003. I don't know why, but it was gross. 02/03 was the worst so many horrible things happened during that period. 

Yes. Sharon and Victor counts as one of the worst things that ever happened to the show.

He had acted as a surrogate father to her all the way before. It was insane, out of character for both of them, absolutely revolting in the context of Sharon/Nick being the end game.
It was absolutely definitely a horrendous mistake. That they hung on to in some version for way longer than was sane to do. And the show knows it, making sure later to tell us they never actually slept together despite getting married twice.

1 hour ago, will81 said:

I feel like the first insulting story was having her make a move on Victor in 2003. I don't know why, but it was gross. 02/03 was the worst so many horrible things happened during that period. 

 

That was one of the first jump the shark moments for Y&R. They had such a lovely relationship. Victor was supportive and acted as a check on Nikki's jealousy/irrational hate of Sharon. I thought he respected the fact that Sharon was working class and taking care of her disabled mother, while Nikki saw a bit of herself in Sharon and rejected her because of that.

8 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

It was absolutely definitely a horrendous mistake. That they hung on to in some version for way longer than was sane to do. And the show knows it, making sure later to tell us they never actually slept together despite getting married twice.

 

I remember when a lot of soap fans that hated Sharon insisted that she and Victor had "consummated" the marriage by sleeping together, though it was never shown or discussed onscreen. I was like "Nope, didn't happen if it didn't show up onscreen"😂. Now unfortunately, it seems like most of the events take place offscreen on these soaps now. Interesting though, that Y&R wanted to court controversy with the storyline but also wanted an escape hatch by not showing a physical relationship between former father and daughter-in-law onscreen. They knew that garbage was bad.

11 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Yes. Sharon and Victor counts as one of the worst things that ever happened to the show.

He had acted as a surrogate father to her all the way before. It was insane, out of character for both of them, absolutely revolting in the context of Sharon/Nick being the end game.
It was absolutely definitely a horrendous mistake. That they hung on to in some version for way longer than was sane to do. And the show knows it, making sure later to tell us they never actually slept together despite getting married twice.

The worst storyline...I pretend it didnt exist

4 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I remember when a lot of soap fans that hated Sharon insisted that she and Victor had "consummated" the marriage by sleeping together, though it was never shown or discussed onscreen. I was like "Nope, didn't happen if it didn't show up onscreen"😂. Now unfortunately, it seems like most of the events take place offscreen on these soaps now. Interesting though, that Y&R wanted to court controversy with the storyline but also wanted an escape hatch by not showing a physical relationship between former father and daughter-in-law onscreen. They knew that garbage was bad.

Victor and Sharon were never shown in bed together. There was one scene where they held hands and walked upstairs together, so the bedroom activities were implied.

2 hours ago, kalbir said:

Victor and Sharon were never shown in bed together. There was one scene where they held hands and walked upstairs together, so the bedroom activities were implied.

 

With a genre known for claiming that a death didn't happen if there was no body (and sometimes even with one), I don't know how anyone can assume anything.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

With a genre known for claiming that a death didn't happen if there was no body (and sometimes even with one), I don't know how anyone can assume anything.

The writers at the time were implying it but it is also clear to me either fan reaction and/or the actors' dislike of the storyline (and we know EB wouldn't have been shy about letting them know) is why it was merely implied rather than show like it usually would
Thankfully because it was never shown it gave an easy opening for later writers to make it explicit it was never consummated which was a retcon but an easily acceptable one.
We can never be sure but we have to go by what they are showing us and they were showing us a married couple lovingly hand-holdingly climbing up to the bedroom. I mean, sex is what that meant.

Promo from 1994 from Bold Restless involving the story PB wants you to forget. 🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

7 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

With a genre known for claiming that a death didn't happen if there was no body (and sometimes even with one), I don't know how anyone can assume anything.

I get this was a general soap trope, but when did it become a Y&R thing? I was dipping in and out during the early 2000's and stopped watching completely in 2006,  and I don't remember a character that was legitimately thought dead by the audience who came back during that period. 

6 minutes ago, will81 said:

I get this was a general soap trope, but when did it become a Y&R thing? I was dipping in and out during the early 2000's and stopped watching completely in 2006,  and I don't remember a character that was legitimately thought dead by the audience who came back during that period. 

 

I was talking about soaps, in general.

Dark Shadows was before my time but many people claim that to be the first storyline of that kind. There seemed to be quite a few in the 80s and 90s. It probably became a trope sometime around then. I wasn't speaking specifically about Y&R, which is why I said genre, but speaking of Y&R, wasn't Adam declared dead at least once? 

Back from the dead was a trope that went as far back as radio soaps but it was mainly used when a presumed dead character eg someone's first wife turned up alive after all - not a character we had seen(or heard) who died on air/screen.

Previous to the 80's it was used from time to time but off hand I can't think of an instance where it was used to bring back a popular actor.

But when the 80's soap craze hit and certain actors became popular and decided to leave soaps, the writers began hedging their bets by killing them off but happily resurrecting them if they decided to return.

Days was probably the biggest culprit- Roman, Marlena, Steve, Hope.

 

As far as Y&R is concerned, Bill Bell never used it, but like so many other tired gimmicks - doubles, retcons etc once Bill was gone all bets were off.

So Phillip and Cane both came back along with Adam -anyone else?

Edited June 3, 20214 yr by Paul Raven

39 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I was talking about soaps, in general.

Dark Shadows was before my time but many people claim that to be the first storyline of that kind. There seemed to be quite a few in the 80s and 90s. It probably became a trope sometime around then. I wasn't speaking specifically about Y&R, which is why I said genre, but speaking of Y&R, wasn't Adam declared dead at least once? 

Oh yeah I get you were talking generally, I just thought maybe it had become more a thing on Y&R as well in the last 15 years. Not sure about Adam as I only remember him as a baby.

 

2 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Back from the dead was a trope that went as far back as radio soaps but it was mainly used when a presumed dead character eg someone's first wife turned up alive after all - not a character we had seen(or heard) who died on air/screen.

Previous to the 80's it was used from time to time but off hand I can't think of an instance where it was used to bring back a popular actor.

But when the 80's soap craze hit and certain actors became popular and decided to leave soaps, the writers began hedging their bets by killing them off but happily resurrecting them if they decided to return.

Days was probably the biggest culprit- Roman, Marlena, Steve, Hope.

Yeah it was definitely around from the beginning. I was also shocked that evil twin stories were thought to be a tired trope as early as the late 60's. So I guess that one was around pretty early on too. DOOL is definitely the biggest culprit, haha. 

 

I wonder if Bobby Ewing's return on Dallas in 86 gave them more confidence to start doing it regularly on daytime soaps, or do you think it was before this that it became more popular. Though I think Stefano had already died and come back by this point hadn't he?