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5 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Haha yeah she’s come a long ways but Sharon’s screams at seeing Nick all bloody just come off way too cheesy...

They were all very green at the time, in all fairness.

I don't think I would have bet a nickel then Nick or Sharon would still be on the show 26 years later (!) or that Eddie Cibrian would be something of a C-list celebrity.

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2 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

They were all very green at the time, in all fairness.

I don't think I would have bet a nickel then Nick or Sharon would still be on the show 26 years later (!) or that Eddie Cibrian would be something of a C-list celebrity.

Honestly I think I’ll always have this resentful chip on my shoulder in regards to Nick and Sharon eating the show. There’s been way too much negativity and propped agendas with them. I’m not saying it’s always Morrow and Cases fault (though I’m beyond fed up of Morrows laziness) but I just wish the show would finally put both characters to rest. 

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Nick/Sharon ate the show in the aftermath of OJ. Nobody I knew of the middle school/high school demographic back then was checking for the frat party, they were all watching Reilly's Sci-Fi Days.

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9 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

Honestly I think I’ll always have this resentful chip on my shoulder in regards to Nick and Sharon eating the show. There’s been way too much negativity and propped agendas with them. I’m not saying it’s always Morrow and Cases fault (though I’m beyond fed up of Morrows laziness) but I just wish the show would finally put both characters to rest. 


I dunno. I don't think they are eating the show now and I don't think we can complain about the shows not respecting and celebrating history on one hand and resent younger-generation characters having stayed for the long haul.

The writing for Sharon has been awful 90% of her tenure but I still care for her if only because she is a long-time character. Nick has always been the boringest of characters and I do agree Morrow - who CAN act as he proved during the Cassie storyline - is comfortable doing the bare minimum and never tried to give his character more layers.
Here is the thing though: being Victor's son gives Nick an angle to be a part of the show. Even as a dull unremarkable dude, he STILL could be of use as a point around which other more interesting characters interact. How about a real gold-digger? Unfortunately, and that's the ONE thing I do blame Morrow for, his insistence on working with Stafford's Phyllis completely hems in the one thing he could be of use for despite his unremarkableness: a leading man for romance. Does not require much acting to pull off.

On the other hand, Case has mostly been a trouper but boy do they just not know what to do with her. Which is ironic considering much they actually do with her.

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On 5/20/2021 at 9:58 PM, yrfan1983 said:

Matt and Nick's bloody fight was 8/3/94 and here it is! https://youtu.be/xGoUnkb4o-A

 

 

Don't know the date of Olivia confronting Nathan, but yes I do think the show villainized him, and really cheapened his character from the noble Nathan we saw in the 80s and early 90s


Olivia’s confrontation with Nathan didn’t happen until like Feb or March of 1996. If I recall right Dru was with her and epically told Nathan he was “PITIFUL!!!”

 

Nathan left town at end of ‘93/early ‘94 in disgust over the whole Lillie Belle situation, especially as her living with the Hastings took a serious toll on him. The actor Randy Brooks left Y&R for a role on AW which ultimately ended up being thankless unfortunately. At some point later in ‘94 is when Adam Lazarre-White was cast around the same time Vivica Fox was cast. Nathan and Olivia were at that point talking about having a second kid but Nathan was still very disillusioned. I don’t even remember how Nathan met Keesha aside from Olivia getting mysterious phone calls in the summer of 95.


Nathan as a villain made for good story at the time but definitely looking back it is very bewildering and heartbreaking they had him go that route. They at least redeemed Nathan’s final days when Olivia reunited with him in Heaven during Olivia’s aplastic anemia story in 2000. 

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It is funny because while I do remember Nathan making really s***y choices, I do not recall having ever seen him or thought of him as a villain.
Unsympathetic at times for sure and less upstanding that he had initially established him to be but making mistakes and mishandling situations in a human way. I may be misremembering but it felt more like a story of a good guy making really piss-poor choices rather than "villainizing".
I think killing him off rather than sticking with him and trying to redeem him was the mistake. I don't think he had crossed any lines that couldn't have healed with time.
 

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3 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

It is funny because while I do remember Nathan making really s***y choices, I do not recall having ever seen him or thought of him as a villain.
Unsympathetic at times for sure and less upstanding that he had initially established him to be but making mistakes and mishandling situations in a human way. I may be misremembering but it felt more like a story of a good guy making really piss-poor choices rather than "villainizing".
I think killing him off rather than sticking with him and trying to redeem him was the mistake. I don't think he had crossed any lines that couldn't have healed with time.
 

The kidnapping of little Nate and Nathan’s demise made a very powerful  story, IMO 

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To be honest, I don't think I felt anything for the character of Nathan after Nathan Purdee left the role. The Keesha storyline, to me, was more a chance to see Olivia's range of emotions and to see TLW shine more as an actress. It was more about the other characters (Olivia, Dru, Neil) and how they discovered and dealt with the affair and its aftermath, imo.

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15 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

To be honest, I don't think I felt anything for the character of Nathan after Nathan Purser left the role. The Kershaw storyline, to me, was more a chance to see Olivia's range of emotions and to see TLW shine more as an actress. It was more about the other characters (Olivia, Dru, Neil) and how they discovered and dealt with the affair and its aftermath, imo.

Most definitely. 

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Im loving this

 

 

Does anyone have the clip when Victor goes in on Jack, Jill and Keith Dennison over the low sales of the Dennison Deal.

 

I loved Victor's line when he said, "In this piece of fiction that you wrote!!"

EB went in.

 

I remember he was slmming a black notebook repeatedly

 

Also the scene when Victor got MAtt Clark in a headlock. LOL

On 5/22/2021 at 9:43 AM, soapfan770 said:


Olivia’s confrontation with Nathan didn’t happen until like Feb or March of 1996. If I recall right Dru was with her and epically told Nathan he was “PITIFUL!!!”

 

Nathan left town at end of ‘93/early ‘94 in disgust over the whole Lillie Belle situation, especially as her living with the Hastings took a serious toll on him. The actor Randy Brooks left Y&R for a role on AW which ultimately ended up being thankless unfortunately. At some point later in ‘94 is when Adam Lazarre-White was cast around the same time Vivica Fox was cast. Nathan and Olivia were at that point talking about having a second kid but Nathan was still very disillusioned. I don’t even remember how Nathan met Keesha aside from Olivia getting mysterious phone calls in the summer of 95.


Nathan as a villain made for good story at the time but definitely looking back it is very bewildering and heartbreaking they had him go that route. They at least redeemed Nathan’s final days when Olivia reunited with him in Heaven during Olivia’s aplastic anemia story in 2000. 

Nathan was no match for the force of The Barber Sisters

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So I watched Neil's tribute and was disappointed that the clips were all from 2000 and beyond. Would it have killed them to show Nate remembering Neil and little Nate, or Victor or Jack remembering Neil as a young executive... ? And only a brief glimpse of Dru, but I'm not even surprised about that, ugh.

 

Also, the clips felt really random. They already showed the basketball clip on the first tribute. And the Victor/Neil scene had nothing to do with Victor and Neil, it was more about Victor and Jack. They definitely didn't put as much thought into this one as they did for his funeral.

 

These are the dates I identified:

Devon - Welcome to the Family - 11/17/04

Nick & Neil playing basketball - ?

Victor & Neil talk about Jabot's debt - 2/3/00*

Neil & Malcolm - 12/30/04

Neil & Ashley - 7/11/18

Neil & Lily - 1/28/05*

 

*I uploaded these clips into the vault, cause the episodes aren't there.

 

 

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