6 hours ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

Seeing as ATWT was on an upswing in the early 00s, that should've encouraged them to fight a bit more. 

 

I do agree with the point that you made that ATWT that the show seemed to be ashamed of their past, but I think that was more of a Goutman thing. All the time, I wish CBS/P&G would've stepped in and booted his behind after 2005. They should've did a massive clean up job and cleaned house again after Sheffer left. 

 

But you really think GL had scraps of his identity towards the end b/c I didn't. While I loved the show till it's bitter end, I felt it departed from its roots too. The Bauers not being front and center played a pivotal role in that. I always felt they wanted to move the show away from the Bauers much like ATWT wanted to do so with the Hughes. It was like both shows were embarrassed of the 2 families that fans loved and adored for 50+ years. 

 

 

I always felt Howarth was playing Todd-lite instead of Paul. Only time I enjoyed his Paul was when he was with Rosanna. Other than that, I didn't care for the character. Especially, during the PEG era. Pseudo-Paul and pseudo-Meg were the worst. 

 

 

In the 80s, ATWT, AW and GL all seemed to veer away from their original founding families.  AW was the only one of the three to succeed in getting rid of their original founding family....while ATWT and GL had their families gutted but were repaired in the late 80s and 90s.

 

By the end of both GL and ATWT...both the Bauers and Hughes families were shells of their former selves....while the tacky Coppers and Snyder's reign supreme (still hate that the yucky Snyder kitchen survived to the end, but not the more superior Hughes family sets).

I miss Thanksgiving on ATWT.

 

As cheesy as it was, I loved the cutting of the Hubbard squash. 

7 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

Yes. The anniversary episode, Josh wanting to be a minister, the returns for the final months, etc. It departed from its roots many years earlier, but at times it still went back. ATWT from that vile Sheffer on never did. 

 

Very true even though I thought Josh wanting to be a minister was absurd. 

 

3 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

In the 80s, ATWT, AW and GL all seemed to veer away from their original founding families.  AW was the only one of the three to succeed in getting rid of their original founding family....while ATWT and GL had their families gutted but were repaired in the late 80s and 90s.

 

By the end of both GL and ATWT...both the Bauers and Hughes families were shells of their former selves....while the tacky Coppers and Snyder's reign supreme (still hate that the yucky Snyder kitchen survived to the end, but not the more superior Hughes family sets).

 

I think this was a problem on all the major soaps. I think it just wasn't successful with ATWT and GL b/c their fans luckily had sense and refused to have the Bauers and Hughes be pushed to the background.

 

Y&R got rid of the Brooks and Fosters for the Abbotts and Newmans.

OLTL exchanged the Lords and Woleks for the Buchanans. 

While the Hortons were still presents and had story, the Bradys consumed all the airtime on DOOL.

SFT was pushing the McClearys to the forefront instead of the Jo, Stu, and their families. 

RH went through a period where the Kirklands ate up story instead of the Ryans. 

 

I've always wondered why soaps assume we'll gravitate towards many of these new families while thinking we'll accept the core families being cast aside. While they were many successes of new families coming on the scene and consuming a lot of story and air time, I do think at times it has been to the detriment of many shows down the line.

 

The only thing more absurd than Josh becoming a minister would've been Reva becoming a nun. 

 

I think the thing about "new" families vs original is that the new families come in formed   (ie, Emma has six adult children) vs living through the original family grow through the years (Bob has his chilldren on the show,  and Frannie isn't even born until the 70s).

 

Could more of an effort been made?? Sure. But you also need other gene pools.  KWIM? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just rewatched the arc where they revealed Adam's paternity, and I didn't realize how much of an a** Tom and Margo were during the original run. God they were insufferable. Especially, Tom. I wanted Hal and Nikki to sock him at times...

Scott Holmes was particularly obnoxious. Hal got screwed over by those two, and yet Tom acted like a martyr anytime Hal showed interest in Adam. RME 

31 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Scott Holmes was particularly obnoxious. Hal got screwed over by those two, and yet Tom acted like a martyr anytime Hal showed interest in Adam. RME 

 

Yes!

 

Now I love SH's Tom, but ugh! Revisiting that arc made me hate him a lot the past 24 hrs. When Teddy (aka Ryder) got stuck in the well saving Adam, and Tom was being a d-ck to Nikki p*ssed me off. I wanted Hal to shove Tom into the well at times too. 

 

I wanted Nikki to pop Margo during their confrontation at the mall too. 

 

 

2 hours ago, victoria foxton said:

 

This is a good read....haven't seen it all. But it has me glued.

On 11/22/2017 at 9:44 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

I'm watching Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates Jr. on the PBS website and the latest episode features Tea Leoni (Madam Secretary) and Gaby Hoffman (Transparent).

I had forgotten this piece of information (I read an article about it years ago) but Gaby  Hoffman was especially interested in research the genealogy of her father's side of the family.

When they showed a photograph, revealing her father's identity, I gasped momentarily before remembering that I had known this information for years!

They even showed a clip of him in several scenes from As The World Turns and Hoffman talks about the one "family portrait" she had was of her mother holding her, while her sister stood behind the T.V. where a scene from As The World Turns played out on screen with her father since the only time she ever saw him other than in family court was when he was on the T.V.

Yes, her father was Anthony Herrera (James Stenbeck) which she half-joked about his bad guy persona and surviving being 'killed off' multiple times.

 

 

@Hunk Chandler Massey I mentioned the episode a few pages back. Tee-hee!

Does anyone know exactly in 1999 when Emily gave birth to Daniel? I think it was in March or April. I'm searching for the episode.

1 hour ago, amybrickwallace said:

Does anyone know exactly in 1999 when Emily gave birth to Daniel? I think it was in March or April. I'm searching for the episode.

It was the Tues April 27 episode.

Just now, Paul Raven said:

It was the Tues April 27 episode.

 

Thank you!!

I know this is Rita McLaughlin in this commercial at 21 minutes, but who is the husband? He looks so familiar.