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Today's episode was okay but was, in many ways, a let down. I'm starting to think they should have kept EVERYONE trapped in the church. It would have been better to see Allison outed regaring the affair with Mich in front of the entire town. I'm sure Lisa would have had some cattly little remark and Susan would have had some shamed look on her face. Also, everyone seemed a little too focused on their own safety. I would have loved seeing Barbara maybe run over to her bleeding son. Later, it was odd she was not at the hospital but, instead, chillin' with Henry back at the Lakeview. The show seems too focused on it's couples and, because of this, people fail to act naturally. I might have expected Emily to go running after Allison.

What was up about the tunnel below the church? Was it ever used? If so, we never saw it and Margo's mention of it seemed way out of place. I know the had to change location at the last minute and find a new church so maybe the former church did have a tunnel and TPTB failed to update the writing. Whatever the case, it was sloppy.

I'm hoping they tone down TP now that they reveal is done. Howarth, who I really like, has been pushed to the sidelines and now always seems to have a cranky look on his face.

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I thought eveyone at the wedding should have been held hostage as well. Lisa and Susan left their merry way without any care for their granchild or daughters. I only really cared about what happened to Barbara but it was an afterthought considering everything was centered at boring Paul and dull Ali. What a waste of story. Wouldnt it have been great had the Real James returned for Ali and Casey's wedding? This whole Dante mess was bad. To top it off Dante being hit by that car was so lame. It reminded me of when Lucy was hit by that trolly train....ugh.....Goutman's remotes suck period!!

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Today's show is a prime example of why ATWT was cancelled. The story/execution had so much promise if done right but fell flat right on its a s s !!!

Had the vets like Kim, Bob, Lisa...brief appearance not been on it would have been worse if possible!!

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Today's show wreaked plain and simple. (P.S.--ICAM with everyone who said some hostages should've never left; and the ones that were released seemed so carefree about everything.)

I think I would've enjoyed Paul's monologue about love/James/etc. a little better if Emily hadn't been cowering behind him in a puddle of tears while some teenager claiming to be James towered above them. I've always wanted Paul to confront James with the ugly truth, but he's always holding a gun to his father's head or vice versa, when it happens.

Speaking from a totally technical standpoint, I loved the last shot of Alison in the hallway.

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Agreed...the final shot of Allison with the bloddly gloves was great. World Turns makes great scenes--I can think of quite a few others--but, for whatever reason, is unable to tie them together into good story. From a tech. standpoint, World Turns often does the best work in the business and then mucks it up with bad remotes and half-baked prime time jumps. Also, considering World Turns has a tiny budget, why not keep sets to a minimun and either keep characters in the church or gather them at the hospital. Also, from a cost perspective, it would have been far cheaper to stretch the episode out an extra day by keeping the actors in place and clustered on two sets. Actors are not paid by the hour and fans love gatherings/weddings.

I agree with Actor about the real James being needed for this storyline. It would have been so cool.

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Honestly, I thought that the wedding started out so nice with everyone there, I wish Mick didn't have to show up to ruin everything. But I did really love Paul reading the Shakespeare sonnet with Mick/James finishing it. (Though I think Anthony Herrera would have done a much better job).

Like everyone else here, I just loved seeing so much of the cast in one place. To see a crazy guy holding a gun on everyone ruined that for me. I just thought it was so perverse. I hope that "Mick as James" is done now. The only problem that I see going forward is that, as a viewer, I really have no feel for who Mick is. Thus far, all we've seen him do is struggle with James. And I really don't see why Ali "fell in love" with him. They bonded, but that isn't necessarily love. But I guess that in Ali's mind, any man who gives her the time of day will do.

I do, however, love that the show has decided to stick with Barbara and Henry. They could easily have let that pairing die, but it really adds such a unique dynamic, IMO. I can't think of another soap that has a "couple" like that.

Since the show is canceled, this point may be moot, but I don't think that Dr. Reid is a viable long-term character. I like him, but he's just so gimmicky. If the writers manage to successfully round him out, I will be impressed.

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That shot was very similar to the shot of Beth on GL at her wedding to Alan. She is at the hospital and is in a bloody dress which Phillip tenderly helps her out of. A great scene, shot well, written well and acted well..too bad the show went back in the crapper after that (Justin Deas snot balls anyone..)

Agreed it would have been easier to use everyone and use one to two sets for the day (DOOL used to do this all the time, when their days were stretch for months, which got ridiculous, but it saved on sets and costumes. ) Does anyone know how contracts work...if they filmed one day at the church and split it up over two days do they have to pay the actors for both days? This seemed to be the reason for Lisa's disappearance on Monday, they didnt want to pay her for in studio work, so why not just film everyone waiting outside the church (would loved to have a confrontation between Kim or Lisa and Susan about her daugters handiwork.) I know soaps are being filmed more and more like primetime as people film on certain days but in particular, with GL I wondered how that work in terms of filming and paying actors.(i.e.if you are going to hike everyone out to Peapack why dont you use them in a lot of scenes and spread them out over the course of a week.

I have said it before, but this set up needed much, much more depth to it and for more characters to be involved. Instead of Nancy giving Casey Chris's ring, (which was out of the blue and made no sense, you want your ring to be worn by princess porn??) they should have had Lisa give Casey the ring that Bob gave her, and then a scene of Lisa seeing Allison with Mick, know something is up and give her a stern warning relating from her own experience, comparing herself to Allison and how it seems nice and easy to marry the nice doctor with the stable family, but they both have darker sides, and it is hard to fight that side when a hot piece of ass with an edge comes into the picture, but how it ends up hurting everyone involved. Lisa could have said something like, "This marriage doesnt have a snow balls chance in hell, but I have lived long enough to know that fighting it is useless. I understand you cause we are cut out of the same cloth..sure I didn't go so far as to do porn, but back in the day I kicked up a lot of hell around here, and I also hurt a lot of people. So let me say this, I know that if you don't fall into bed with this Mick guy, it will be someone else that offers that excitment, and when it does happen, just promise me you will be honest with Casey and try not to hurt him anymore then you already have. Also, dont you dare bring a kid into this until you are damn well sure you want to be Mrs.Casey Hughes. I am warning you, I may look harmless now but I am still the same bitch I used to be..got it?"

As it is we have no idea how anyone feels about Casey and Allison being married except for Mick.

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^^^I don't know, but I have to assume that every day of work counts, otherwise, our IIC wouldn't piss and moan they can't afford to include the vets.

Tuesday's eppy was better than Monday's, but it was the dialogue (a strong day from Susan Dansby)...there was still enough plot-driven idiocy to choke a horse. (REALLY? Mick and Ali just "escape" from a surrounded church and take off running down the highway? OY VEY.) I did like that it was a completely focused episode...no dumb ass moments to "break" the tension---like Hunter and Maddie yucking it up on-line as their superhero-selves for example. That crap at times drives me nuts.

And my thought as the last shot of Ali aired? TIIC had to return the dress, ergo only Ali's prissy white gloves are soiled, not the gown.

Wednesday's eppy....eh. The wrap ups for Mick and Ali/Casey seemed duller than dirt. Geez...it's supposed to be heartwarming that Paul (after spending a year in the not too distant past either plotting to kill Craig and Dusty several times and burying a dead girl under his rosebushes) now can't "flip the switch" on Mick? Who cares? I am glad Casey got to rake Ali over the coals, but then the idiots ruined it by having Casey even think about being compassionate to that whore.

The Carly/Jack stuff had some nice moments, but buzzkillers Jan and Craig were a drag. The convo between Jack and Carly was a long time coming. I really do love it that they're being brutally honest with each other and just can't fight their feelings.

Craig's scheme sucks--it seems amateurish. And I wish TIIC wouldn't rewrite history on a constant basis. Monte Carlo was not financed by some schmo who's stupid enough to trust Craig now---it was COMPLETELY financed by ROSANNA, who had a clause written into the contract that stated if Craig cheated on her with Carly, the deal was off.

And would someone PLEASE tell Jan to STFU? If I didn't already hate her, her bitching that her parents would "get to play hero" if they happened to match her precious, DYING LibbyLou, would have. GMAFB. For her to even think that shows how pathetic she is. It's not about you, bitch. And I hate how much time is being wasted on this meaningless character as the days slip through our fingers.

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And we wonder why this show was cancelled?? Your post says it all. Rewriting history.....Casey giving a damn about Ali the whore...and Craig once again for the billionth time coming between Jack and Carly. I hadnt realized that Craig wasnt at his nephew's wedding. But hell I am glad he wasnt included. I guess Bozo Goutman did do something right. Yet, we got his annoying presence again today...ugh!!

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Did all the Directors abandon ship? Goutman has directed the last 3 episodes which is highly unusual. Tomorrow's director will probably be Ellen Wheeler.

As for the actors, they are not paid by how many days they work, but they are paid per episode that they appear in. That's big these days because they way these shows shoot these days, an actor could shoot scenes from 4 or 5 episodes in 1 day. Erika Slezak mentioned awhile back that in 1 day she shot something like 30 scenes that aired over 7 or 8 episodes so even though she only worked that 1 day, she was paid for 7 or 8 days.

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Dialgoue was great today. Floved the CarJack moments. Other than that...... it sucked.

WTF? Alison has the magic kiss now??! Her kiss can apparently cure people; maybe Dr. Bob should re-think his hospital procedures, especially if he has a nurse capable of reviving patients with a single cheek peck! *eyeroll* Can this show get anymore strange/wacky/unbelievable?

It pisses me off, thinking about the fact that the show has only a few more months of life and they're keeping CarJack apart because of the whiney Ciccone women, who JP and CG seem to have an odd affection for. They're wasting time with weird plots: personality chips/brainwashing/fountain of youth serum/etc.. They're doing all these atrocious stories that nobody gives a damn about, and featuring characters that most fans want to punch in the throat. It just enrages me.

I don't hold Alison being a former porn-queen against her. That was just lame writing; like they put all their ideas for a "where's Alison been" story into a hat and just randomly drew one. "TA-DA! Ali's back! And guess where she's been...." (*sifts through slips of paper and draws one out*) ".......She was a PORN STAR!!! Oooh, and let's throw in a neat little addiction to meth while we're at it!!!" Speaking of Alison, I think Marnie's showed some of her best work these past few days. Yes, she gets a little whiney at times, but I've thoroughly enjoyed watching her lately. (And I'm aware I'm probably in the minority....) I also think Billy Magnussen has underwhelmed. His acting chops are obviously meant for comedic-style acting, a few "dudes" and "far outs" possibly, but aside from that---no. His attempts at crying as Alison left today were off the mark.

As for the end shot that I talked about, I wasn't referring to the blood, or the dress. But rather the camera angle/zoom/function/etc.

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Paul preaching about how he has love (the one thing James will never have) and Allison's 'magic kiss' make me think back to Ellen Wheeler's "Love Will Save the World" theme for GL. I was not an avid watcher but something about this overflow of sentimentality reminds me Guiding Light's final year.

I actually like how the writer's touched on recent history and brought up Allison's porno days. Mick/James was scorned at the wedding so obviously he was trying to hurt and degrade her. I do like the manner in which Emily has stayed front and center lately. Kelley Menighan Hensley is an amazing talent but the writers usually misuse or back burner Emily in between the yearly mental breakdowns. In the late 90's, she was the 'star' of the show but the character has been boxed in too many times. The recent Emily/Paul marriage came out of the blue but has served as a good means to reboot and redeem both characters. I'm greatly in the minority but PEM is my favorite couple because Paul and Emily bring out the best in each other. For a long time, I thought Roseanna was the only match for Paul but her character has been so distorted that this no longer holds true. TPTB would be smart to move Barbara, Hunter and maybe Allison along with whoever she opts to marry into Fairwinds so that ATWT might finally have a muti-generational family under one roof before the curtain falls.

If the recent Stenbeck storyline proved anything it is that Tom Pelphrey is a strong actor. He dominated every scene not only by writer's design but also because he is a captivating mimic of Anthony Herrera. While I want lots of focus on core characters as World Turns draws to a close, I'm enjoying Pelphrey's talent. My only gripe is that showcasing TP's talent came at Howart's expense with Paul stuck in angry, bitter, grumpy mode. The Ryans' finally feel somewhat like of a family but it seems they all are connected to each other only via their connections to James.

While the cancer story isn't bad, at the same time, it isn't at all good. Liberty getting sick is an exploitive plot device intended to keep Jack and Carly apart. Any story relating to such a wrenching sickness should be of a serious nature and be focused on the sick person's pain, conflict and battle; instead, we see Libby walking herself down to the police station half dead just to almost bust CarJack. Y&R is doing a similiar cancer story and atleast they have managed to hit the proper beats regaring the actual sick person. I'm starting to feel the biggest victims of Liberty's cancer are horned up Jack and Carly who've already had hundreds of chances to hook back up. Janet has finally grown on me and I accept her for the overly-emotional immature clingy twit that she is. She is no more immature than Jack/Carly and Julie Pinkston is a solid actress. Janet is nothing like Billy on Days and Pinkston is far from a one note actor.

I am dreading Holden turning himself into the police and Damien's rise from the dead. This lameass story will make the Mick Dante thing look amazing by contrast.

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Wheeler used that smaltzy lite rock [!@#$%^&*] song, but all we saw on the show was the pimping of an ugly assassin (cause, you know, he was talked to roughly as a kid) and Alan getting away with a crime everyday. The show was definatley not about love (oh, until the last week, so that makes it all right Wheelie you nimjob.)

ATWT has multigenerational families they dont have to cull them together from scraps of people not even related , thats what Wheelie tried to do after she tore GL apart, and it looked sloppy, was dull and made no sense.

Pelphery is a good actor, but he is one of those actors, and I know that I am going to get hell for it, like Zimmer and Deas, who are good, but the soap industry hails as the second coming and they fall into ticks. For some reason the soap press and industry, loves the over the top people, but the people who are more nuanced, arent given the credit. TP when he first came onto GL was a house on fire, but he quickly resorted to ticks which got worse as the years went by. He still is pulling those ticks out (laughing in the middle of his lines, screaming at the top of his lungs.) I like TP but he did not mimic Herrar at all, AH never, ever yelled or stuttered. He was always in control plotting his ridiculous schemes, but when he blew up, it was when he was cornered. TP is doing a slightly more controlled but crazier Jonathon.

You are right, Davey wrote those scenes for TP as he always writes scenes, with him in the center and no one to challenge him. During the last year of TP on GL Jonathon always had the upper hand and everyone, (besides Reva) was supposed to look dumber, less morally honest, the Jonathon. I hope Davey keeps the tapes to whack off to so someone has some fun.

No doubt they will be stupid but nothing can make [!@#$%^&*] smell anything other then [!@#$%^&*]!

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Goutman often directs the remotes. Since both eppys were shot entirely on location, I don't think it's indicative of anything more than that. And someone mentioned the location---CZP tweeted they were shot at two different churches because of some kind of administrative change at the original church. They finished shooting at CZP's church, which I assume was all the outdoor scenes.

Thanks for the clarification, Mr. Camera-Techie Dude. It seemed rather ordinary to me, but if it was technically interesting to you, I understand. :D

I'm beginning to agree---and I'm oddly disappointed the medical aspect of Libby's illness is virtually ignored. I don't think we've even had a scene of a Doctor explaining Libby's illness to her. It's not that I expect to see Libby puking, but other than one bruise and "being tired", all the drama seems focused on Jan, and by extension Carly and Jack. There have been some nice, touching moments, like Libby and Jack's talk, Libby's moment in the bathroom, Parker supporting Libby---but those could be about any kind of disappointment in Libs' life--like not getting into the school she wanted.

I don't agree Pinson is more than a one-note actress, but to each his own. I didn't see her on DOOL, but the one clip I did catch on youtube, she seemed exactly the same, interacting with that on-screen daughter.

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I was pretty impressed by today's episode. Alot of good dialogue. It felt natural; it felt like the characters and the actors were in tune with the words.

CarJack agreeing to keep their distance from one another was just so heartbreaking. As much as I hate it, I think it's very in-character for Jack to feel the way he does. Gah, Michael and Maura have such a magnetic chemistry. They don't even have to speak; just their longing eye contact alone makes my heart beat a tiny bit faster.

The first time Julie Pinson has ever tugged at my heart strings was today; when Janet's dad told her (over the phone) that they got tested for bone marrow.

Dear Liberty, Leukemia is not an automatic death sentence. Please quit comically referencing your imminent demise. Thanks.

Anyone else scratching their head as to why Molly had a mock-up of Damian's ring (along with an excerpt from the book of poetry he gave Lily, disguised as a goodbye letter) sent to Lily? OH!... And speaking of Damian, I wonder what innocent person he had to kill (and pass off as himself) in order to make an under-the-radar (probable) return to Oakdale? *eyeroll*

Holden's speech to Lily at the beginning of the episode was right on! I actually shouted "Amen"! Damian brought a lot of heartbreak, unnecessary grief, and misery to a lot of people Lily cares about, herself included. He ruined their lives.........YET AGAIN. Why is she so worried about finding him??!! And in true whiney, co-dependent fashion, she ran out yelling "Damian" when the package arrived at her doorstep. Yes, Lily. Damian mysteriously disappeared, but he returned just so he could drop off a goodbye package at your door. *handslap to forehead, followed by an eyeroll*

RIGHT ON, SISTER!!!!!! AMEN.

Hey; watch it, missy. That's what I went to college for! LOL!!

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