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11 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:

Now once a recast Alex came back it became a lame trope of the shrewish mother-in-law instead and it was tedious. 

And since now EVERYONE in town treated Alex as an annoying joke..(when Alex stops Josh and Annie's wedding...shreicking the whole time, Vanessa practically pushes her out the door..."You've done quite enough damage for one day" as if she was a kid.) even Alan quite regarding her as a rival and more of an annoying pain in the butt..especially since they had her all over his love life...(as if Alex would care one bit about Tangie Hill) and they wrote, and Marj gave off, rather incestuous vibes for Alan.

Concerning Alex/Mindy..I get that she felt betrayed by someone she trusted...(even if they had to retro write the relationship as Mindy practically growing up in her house...Alex always treated the Lewises as inferior...) but I would have gone even farther..I could not see BevAlex marrying Roger unless he held something over her. That didn't make sense from the start.

 

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Don't miss the 17th Annual Daytime Stars and Strikes Virtual Charity event for Autism live in The Locher Room on Sunday, October 10th from 2:00 p.m. EST to 6:00 p.m. EST (11:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. PST). Joining me to host the show will be Guiding Light’s Liz Keifer (Blake Marler), Jerry verDorn (Ross Marler), and Michael O’Leary (Rick Bauer). We have an incredible line-up of guests to help us raise funds for The Autism Society of America including: Grant Aleksander (Phillip Spaulding), John Bolger (Phillip Spaulding), Jeff Branson (Shayne Lewis), Bryan Buffinton (Bill Lewis), Jean Carol (Nadine Cooper), Beth Chamberlin (Beth Raines), Crystal Chappell (Olivia Spencer), Jan Conklin (Producer), Ritchie Coster (Alfred), Kassie DePaiva (Chelsea Reardon), Mark Derwin (A.C. Mallet), Frank Dicopoulos (Frank Cooper), Aubrey Dollar (Marina Cooper), Beth Ehlers (Harley Cooper), Nicole Forester (Cassie Layne), Stephanie Gatschet (Tammy Winslow), Ricky Paull Goldin (Gus Aitoro), Melissa Hayden (Bridget Reardon), Rick Hearst (Alan-Michael Spaulding), Rebecca Hollen (Trish Lewis), Mart Hulswit (Ed Bauer), Crystal Hunt (Lizzie Spaulding), Maeve Kinkead (Vanessa Chamberlin), Jessica Leccia (Natalia Rivera), Fran Myers (Peggy Fletcher), Robert Newman (Josh Lewis), Sonia Satra (Lucy Cooper), Tina Sloan (Littlian Raines), Rebecca Staab (Jessie Matthews), Nancy St. Alban (Michelle Bauer Santos), Paul Anthony Stewart (Danny Santos), Kimberley Simms (Mindy Lewis), Michelle Ray Smith (Ava Peralta), Krista Tesreau (Mindy Lewis), Gina Tognoni (Dinah Marler), Jordi Vilasuso (Tony Santos), Michael Woods (Dr. Jim Reardon) and Kim Zimmer (Reva Shayne Lewis).

 

Rebecca Hollen (Trish Lewis) is someone who hasn't appeared in any reunions.

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I have been wondering why Augusta Dabney (Barbara Norris #1) left the show.    The show placed in the role Barbara Berjer (From These Roots, As the World Turns).

I also think that The Guiding Light and Procter and Gamble missed a golden opportunity for tie-ins.   Barbara was a cookbook writer, and Procter and Gamble, at the time, owned Crisco, Duncan Hines, Jiff, and Folgers (and later Pringles).  The company could have offered recipe booklets by Barbara Norris obtained by request or even a full cookbook to be sold in the bookstores.

Sometimes one of the character of NBC's Hidden Faces would cook dishes, and viewers could write to NBC for the recipe as a promotion for the show.

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2 hours ago, danfling said:

I also think that The Guiding Light and Procter and Gamble missed a golden opportunity for tie-ins.   Barbara was a cookbook writer, and Procter and Gamble, at the time, owned Crisco, Duncan Hines, Jiff, and Folgers (and later Pringles).  The company could have offered recipe booklets by Barbara Norris obtained by request or even a full cookbook to be sold in the bookstores.

 

Absolutely! It's weird, but I can remember a scene where Barbara told one of the other women that she didn't understand why more people didn't make grape pies, something I have never heard of. I'm pretty sure there was a pie as a prop in the scene. Surely a lot of people would have written in for Barbara Norris' Grape Pie recipe.

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2 hours ago, danfling said:

I have been wondering why Augusta Dabney (Barbara Norris #1) left the show.    The show placed in the role Barbara Berjer (From These Roots, As the World Turns).

The timeline here has always confused me.

When did Claire die on ATWT? Did Barbara Berjer immediately go to GL as she was popular and they felt she would be an asset as Barbara and decided to drop Augusta?

Augusta then went to A World Apart replacing Elizabeth Lawrence. What was the reason for that move?

 

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11 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

The timeline here has always confused me.

When did Claire die on ATWT? Did Barbara Berjer immediately go to GL as she was popular and they felt she would be an asset as Barbara and decided to drop Augusta?

 

 

Claire died in January 1971 and Barbara Berjer started as Barbara Norris the same month. 

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Augusta Dabney, whose first soap opera roles were on NBC in Young Doctor Malone and Another World, played three different characters on As the World Turns.   She then (which I don't exactly remember) played the mother of Dr. John Hale and Larry Hale on Love Is a Many Splendored Thing.    She then created the role of Barbara Norris on The Guiding Light.

I remember the Hale family from Love Is a Many Splendored Thing so well, but I really do not remember Ms. Dabney as the mother.

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On 10/1/2021 at 10:12 PM, Paul Raven said:

The timeline here has always confused me.

When did Claire die on ATWT? Did Barbara Berjer immediately go to GL as she was popular and they felt she would be an asset as Barbara and decided to drop Augusta?

Augusta then went to A World Apart replacing Elizabeth Lawrence. What was the reason for that move?

 

I never saw Barbara Berjer's Claire on ATWT, but I seem to recall reading that Irna said because Claire had committed adultery, TPTB wouldn't allow a divorce and remarriage, which Irna had wanted, so Irna either had to make Claire suffer or kill her off, and chose to kill her off. It would make sense to use a more popular actress on GL.

If GL wanted to give Barbara Norris a romantic interest--which they would do, with Robert Milli as Adam Thorpe--perhaps they thought Barbara Berjer projected a less matronly and more appealing image than Augusta Dabney. That's how I would see the two.

So this appears to be another double switch like Lynne Adams to TSS and Barbara Rodell to GL?

 

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I love the discussion of the Alex/Mindy dynamic.  FWIW, I will say that, before Nick came to town, especially, Alex seemed to me to have a sense of perspective with Roger and Mindy both.  When Alex blackmailed Mindy into coming to her showdown at the country club, for example, it seemed primarily to help further unnerve Roger as she moved in for the kill.  I thought it was very clear that taking down Roger was Alex's job but making Mindy's life hell was more of a hobby.

For me, the (first) point of no return was when Alex actually recruited Roger to break up Nick and Mindy.  It led to some memorable scenes/stories but, from then on, Alex clearly had it in for Mindy more than she cared about keeping her family safe from Roger.  In hindsight, that damaged the character and strained credibility, for sure.

Perhaps not coincidentally, I remember from rewatching all those 1991-92 episodes on YouTube a few years ago (RIP) that plot twist happened right after Nancy Curlee's name had just disappeared from the credits, when she went on maternity leave.  I recalled that McKinsey had drawn a line in the sand at Curlee's departure in her exit interview, and I actually thought of that again when Curlee was describing her process for pitching stories in her recent YouTube interview: how she would say, "You'll never guess what happens next," and someone would try to guess, and she would respond, "No, because..." and then Curlee would reveal her actual idea.  I can't help but wonder if that would have been a "No Because" moment had she been in the building.

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5 hours ago, Nicholas Blair said:

I never saw Barbara Berjer's Claire on ATWT, but I seem to recall reading that Irna said because Claire had committed adultery, TPTB wouldn't allow a divorce and remarriage, which Irna had wanted, so Irna either had to make Claire suffer or kill her off, and chose to kill her off. It would make sense to use a more popular actress on GL.

If GL wanted to give Barbara Norris a romantic interest--which they would do, with Robert Milli as Adam Thorpe--perhaps they thought Barbara Berjer projected a less matronly and more appealing image than Augusta Dabney. That's how I would see the two.

So this appears to be another double switch like Lynne Adams to TSS and Barbara Rodell to GL?

 

I think you're confusing Claire with her husband Jim. Jim was having an affair with Edith Hughes and Irna wanted to have Jim leave Claire for Edith but the censors wouldn't have it. So, Irna decided to kill off Jim Lowell in a boating accident. Claire never committed adultery. She just had husbands cheat on her (Jim with Edith, Michael with Lisa). 

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