It's too bad certain posters have drove you away. I don't post here as often because of all the negativity to Y&R. Y&R may be the worst soap in the air to some or even suck but Hell at least it showcases it VETS. I cant say that about any other soap on the air right now. And bringing back old favorites with the original protrayer. What a great concept. I wish suckage ATWT would be half as good as Y&R is right now.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by Ruxton Hills

brimike, I agree with you. I don't mind when people are displeased with the show, but this thread has become one where the actual happenings on the show are barely discussed and its more the same week to week bitching about why MAB sucks and Hammer sucks and Sheffer sucks. It's a shame that the actual episodes and what happened on those episodes is rarely the topic of discussion anymore.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by AllAboutAngst

brimike, I agree with you. I don't mind when people are displeased with the show, but this thread has become one where the actual happenings on the show are barely discussed and its more the same week to week bitching about why MAB sucks and Hammer sucks and Sheffer sucks. It's a shame that the actual episodes and what happened on those episodes is rarely the topic of discussion anymore.

cough...Alvin...cough..lapdog Sylph.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by Ruxton Hills

As for me, I share concerns about the future of this team, but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying aspects. I love the Adam/Ashley/Victor story, I love Mary Jane's psycho-antics, and I love every scene Peter Bergman and Michelle Stafford are in. I have issues with the art story and how it started, but if the rumors are true about

Sean Kanan/Deacon

being the mastermind, I'm willing to forgive a crappy start to see what he brings to the canvas. And yes, I find many of the stories to be misogynistic, but at the same time, I don't see any men (other than Adam, Victor and Jack) driving story. Nick is just a ping-pong ball, Paul is Nikki's appendage, Kevin does whatever Amber and Jana tell him to do, Billy can't make up his mind WHAT he wants... for all the misogyny in one or two stories, the rest of the stories involve a man being castrated. So I don't see how you can have it both ways.

I think they have Billy and Nick as indecisive to try to create more of a rooting interest in various couples, but I do see them as driving the stories. Mac, Chloe, Sharon, and Phyllis have no real identity of their own outside of Billy or Nick. They revolve around these fickle men who drive them nuts but are still their soulmate.

I agree with a lot of what you've said about MAB's efforts, but I haven't been bowled over by her attempts to fix stories, because I don't know if they've actually been to the benefit of the show. I don't think anything about Jill's story has improved because she's no longer Katherine's daughter. I can see where fans who hated the twist of their being mother and daughter would be happy, but the only payoff was scene after scene of Jill blasting Katherine while Katherine tries to be noble. Other areas which should have been fixed, like Victoria becoming so milquetoast, have actually been made much worse.

I do think Y&R is better than any of the other soaps, and I enjoy parts of the show. I guess I'm just too let down by some of the glaring problems like pacing and misogyny to focus on what I do enjoy. I wanted so much more for characters like Adam and while it's unfair of me to not separate what I wanted from what we're getting, I can't stop wondering what could have been if they hadn't decided to go for style over substance.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by CarlD2

And I'm gonna try to shut up! (Thunderous herds applaud!)

I really perceive myself as one of those middle-of-the-road viewers (love some stuff, not some other stuff), but apparently it doesn't come across that way.

And I'm gonna try to shut up! (Thunderous herds applaud!)

I really perceive myself as one of those middle-of-the-road viewers (love some stuff, not some other stuff), but apparently it doesn't come across that way.

I think you focus on what works for you while acknowledging what doesn't. I can respect that point of view. You make me want to enjoy the show more, and I never feel like you're trying to sugarcoat.

cough...Alvin...cough..lapdog Sylph.

Does this make you feel like the bigger person each time you post it?

Wow -I don't sign in for awhile, and then I come back to 12 pages of the same stuff over and over again. Alvin hates everything Y&R is doing now, and Sylph and DeeDee back him up. MarkH and Alphanguy are their foils, proclaiming why they love the show. [/venting]

Yeah. Imagine me entering this thread for the past... I can't even remember... Reading rationalization after rationalization after dream casting choice after dream casting choice after... It was fun.

Anyway, I wish I wasn't as lazy as I am in this very moment to reply to everything you say. But it won't matter so why bother?

I am enjoying these epithets and hate I'm getting. Tons of fun. Love dovey PMs I send, how I was first in love with Alvin, now I'm his lapdog... It's... Unbelievable. Whole lotta other cr*p, too. But someone's obviously enjoying it.

No one here forbids anything. You like it? OK. But I do not. Obviously, the problem is one "group" can't avoid trying to convince the other "group" of how good/bad it is. And generally, nothing wrong with it either. The problem is when insults on personal basis appear. And those too cannot be avoided, ti seems.

Then there's that famous Ignore Button.

Edited June 11, 200916 yr by Sylph

And I'm gonna try to shut up! (Thunderous herds applaud!)

I really perceive myself as one of those middle-of-the-road viewers (love some stuff, not some other stuff), but apparently it doesn't come across that way.

Don't stop posting. I enjoy your posts and thoughts of the show.

Does this make you feel like the bigger person each time you post it?

I respect Alvin. His posts have a lot of merit. But him repeating himself about changes needed doesn't contribute to the everyday chat of the show. Alvin knows what works and what doesnt in soaps. I am just surprised at how fast he has turned against Y&R.

Sylph...eh..blah

brimike, I agree with you. I don't mind when people are displeased with the show, but this thread has become one where the actual happenings on the show are barely discussed and its more the same week to week bitching about why MAB sucks and Hammer sucks and Sheffer sucks. It's a shame that the actual episodes and what happened on those episodes is rarely the topic of discussion anymore.

Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself. I just wish the conversation was on what happened today! YOu like this -

-Did you notice they updated more old scores from Y&R past? OMG it was good. I like this updating, everything old is new and retro theme.

-I SO was waiting for the Heather/Patty Jane meeting! And it brought out the best in Vail.

-DD is really getting into the game. I loved how he's subversely amused by Mj's antics - almost like a brother-sister rivalry thing.

-Seeing Nikki and Victor together and not at each other's throats made me tear up a little...STAY MTS! STAY!

-CE threw away the final line of today's ep...it's so fun to dissect the inner struggle the actor must have.

-The art storyline is so unworthy...it just baffles me. But the actors are great. It just doesn't make any sense. It has to be

Deacon

doing this to get Amber, right? When is he supposed to show up??

The actor who plays Dr. Taylor is a keeper. Find a way to keep him on the show - he's really a good actor! I know I've seen him somewhere - was he on Shawshank Redemption?

As long as there are no personal insults, there will always be room for 1979 talk, wishful casting, people who love the show, people who hate the show, couple fanbases (Pikki-Karphy-Dexy etc)...

I love the Y&R thread, nobody should stop posting

-Did you notice they updated more old scores from Y&R past? OMG it was good. I like this updating, everything old is new and retro theme.

Yes, I did notice that and enjoy it.

-I SO was waiting for the Heather/Patty Jane meeting! And it brought out the best in Vail.

I liked Heather's time with Paul. I actually think they make a good father and daughter combo.

-DD is really getting into the game. I loved how he's subversely amused by Mj's antics - almost like a brother-sister rivalry thing.

I always liked DD. I am glad he is involved in Patty Jane story.

-Seeing Nikki and Victor together and not at each other's throats made me tear up a little...STAY MTS! STAY!

Yes, the scenes were a treat. I have a feeling MTS will stay.

-CE threw away the final line of today's ep...it's so fun to dissect the inner struggle the actor must have.

I thought it was a grea ending. I wish CE would have reconsidered his awful choice to leave.

-The art storyline is so unworthy...it just baffles me. But the actors are great. It just doesn't make any sense. It has to be

Deacon

doing this to get Amber, right? When is he supposed to show up??

This is one story that I am not liking but is moving quickly. It's been done so many times ..the money part and Amber.

The actor who plays Dr. Taylor is a keeper. Find a way to keep him on the show - he's really a good actor! I know I've seen him somewhere - was he on Shawshank Redemption?

I remember seeing him on eppys of Matlock, MSW and others. He always seems to be evil parts. I like him too.

As long as there are no personal insults, there will always be room for 1979 talk, wishful casting, people who love the show, people who hate the show, couple fanbases (Pikki-Karphy-Dexy etc)...

I love the Y&R thread, nobody should stop posting

Elsa, I love reading your posts and your kick ass Sue Ellen avatar.

And I'm gonna try to shut up! (Thunderous herds applaud!)

DON'T TRY TO HARD, your voice would be greatly missed.

i have to repeat myself and say that I am truly loving this show right now. I have been a fan of this show since I was a kid (I'm 27 right now). The only time I have really disliked/hated this show was during the second LML year until MAB started...then i started to enjoy it once again.

And you all might disgree but Nick/Sharon are one of my fave soap couples--ever. In this Phyllis/Nick/Sharon tri, I honestly cannot feel bad for Phyllis because she is a hypocrite...she's going through the same thing that Sharon did years ago. Don't get me wrong Nick & Sharon are in no way saints...but I just have trouble drawing up sympathy for Phyllis. I can understand she's hurt and heartbroken but I hate her "he cheated on me" and "he left me for another woman" and "what about my daughter" rants that she goes on about. Um...Nick cheated on Sharon with you & were the "other woman" years ago. Besides you weren't thinking about Noah when Nick left Sharon for you.

Loving the Mary Jane storyline...honestly I believe everyone is in agreement about this storyline. The actress is phenomenal.

The art storyline is most definitely the weakest link. And I got to say that HANDS DOWN Daniel is the dumbest character on this show. I like his portrayer but his character is annoying and beyond stupid. Kevin got it right "you risked your life to get back a stupid painting."

But my fave storyline is the Adam/Ashley one. I have always been a fan of dark literature, films or tv series...so i am really digging this storyline. It is so creepy and disturbing.

Side-note: I also disagree that the killing of Cassie was a mistake. It was a good storyline that created gut-wrenching and riveting drama for years. The only mistake IMO was actually making Phyllis/Nick a legit couple.

Remember this all jump my honest opinion, I'm not trying to start board wars, just good healthy discussion.