Cashton, I like your theory but I guess my problem is that Y&R seems to be heading into "ABC" direction. Too violent, too dark, etc. If Victor did indeed kill Walter Palin, that should be a huge beat. Sonny Corinthos has killed more folks than we can count but he's an ABC cartoon. If Victor is a murderer, that needs to mean something on Y&R.

For him to plan Jack's murder just seems way over the top. Jack raised Victor's kids! He's Ashley's brother! And on and on. It just seems cartoonish to me that 70 year old Victor is planning to off Jack.

If that spoiler about Victor is true, then it is Sheffer at work. Sheffer has never known where to draw the line. He did it with Marshall Travers and then Craig on ATWT. Y&R is turning into every other soap which is not good.

If that spoiler about Victor is true, then it is Sheffer at work. Sheffer has never known where to draw the line. He did it with Marshall Travers and then Craig on ATWT. Y&R is turning into every other soap which is not good.

With all these characters going insane, returns from the dead and the DNA madness Y&R is indeed turning into every other soap.

Cashton, I like your theory but I guess my problem is that Y&R seems to be heading into "ABC" direction. Too violent, too dark, etc. If Victor did indeed kill Walter Palin, that should be a huge beat. Sonny Corinthos has killed more folks than we can count but he's an ABC cartoon. If Victor is a murderer, that needs to mean something on Y&R.

For him to plan Jack's murder just seems way over the top. Jack raised Victor's kids! He's Ashley's brother! And on and on. It just seems cartoonish to me that 70 year old Victor is planning to off Jack.

I get what you're saying. but i'm a Buffy fan - and in that universe, if you kill someone it changes you forever. If Victor did kill Walter, he's not becoming dark, he is dark.

And we know Victor won't actually kill Jack!

The reprecussions for Victor will be harsh and severe, too. But Jack really got Victor good and i guess I just see the dots lining up for Victor to just want to END this once and for all.

If anyone can be redeemed/saved for even an attempt at killing someone in cold blood it's Victor. And it's just one little teensy weensy murder-attempt!! We're not gonna see bullets flying every day.

Also, the character of Victor has always been so invincible. The writers always have such a hard time creating realisitc struggles for him cause of his extreme power. hence he gets arrested every year and gets mugged or shot. This gives him a fight with the only person capable of truly destroying him - himself.

But guess we'll have to tune in - Cara Mia! BTW - you are definitely my fav new poster!

No matter what happens, Victor always wins. If he loses a woman, he replaces her and we are sure to see the woman he lost is still in love with him (if she isn't dead). When someone does get the best of Victor, they pay the price in the end.

They never stray from Victor being all-powerful, because even when he's at a low point, they let us know the people who are scheming against him are not going to win (like the silly story with Jack, Adam, and the forged diaries).

I don't know if they will ever be able to change the formula. In previous years this didn't matter as much because the characters around him were strong and complicated in their own right, but now most of them have no true identity outside of Victor, and they have no backbone.

This gives him a fight with the only person capable of truly destroying him - himself.

That's deep! And very Shakesperean. Whenever Eric Braeden decides to leave Y&R for good, I think Victor should go out in some grand tragic fashion that he brings upon himself. Maybe even something out of Lear, where he does something that kills Abby or Victoria and his own death follows soon after.

That's deep! And very Shakesperean. Whenever Eric Braeden decides to leave Y&R for good, I think Victor should go out in some grand tragic fashion that he brings upon himself. Maybe even something out of Lear, where he does something that kills Abby or Victoria and his own death follows soon after.

If you think that's deep read my post on the scandal thread...i'm proud of it.

Jill/Kay is a very feminine feud, Jack and Victor is testosterone city.

It's the opposite.

It's the opposite.

:lol:

Those spoilers sound silly and shouldn't be taken seriously until CBS releases the confirmation.

I can believe that Victor would go there. Not only because of everything Jack has done to him over the years, but because of Jack pulling Adam into his latest attempt to bring Victor down. Jack was going to send Victor to prison for life! No way Victor would take that lying down.

As long as Jack is standing at the end of the day Victor is redeemable

. This also gives me hope for Adam.

Ugh I really hate the word redeem in regards to characters.

Me, too actually. I don't even think viewers care that much characters being redeemed. My main issue is that if Victor

becomes murderous it will turn the show into overly campy ABC territory.

It also shows what a strong foundation Phick has when both sides of that marriage are

sleeping with other people.

That was the entire Shick marriage, which many now seem to look fondly upon as having a steady foundation worth returning to and repeating again.

Good for Phyllis to at least

wait until the Sick reunion before jumping into bed with another man. She didn't just run out to find comfort in the first warm body to happen on her path, the moment she was cheated on. Her and Jack have a history and I really hope this is the beginning of the reunion for my favorite Y&R couple Jack and Phyllis. They should also bring back Diane, the original, and have her use her son to get between Jack and Phyllis.

As for Sharon, I hate the character, and have no problems with the actress, unless the rumours are true that she doesn't want to french kiss on screen. She is certainly no Hunter Tylo who has made demands for the Taylor character's writing based on her idea of what the character be. SC seems to be able to separate herself from the character she plays which has allowed Sharonit to really come alive onscreen. I hope the writers continue to explore this character and why she behaves the way she does, not just sweep her problems under the rug and return to her and Nick, happily cheating ever-after.

I haven't minded CE's Adam but am disappointed in his unprofessionalism. Did he see himself as the future of the Y&R? From the moment his character appeared on screen, he was pursuing his brothers wife and backstabbing everyone, how moral is that? Part of the casting process should be evaluating whether a person will play the role no matter what is being called upon for them to do, barring the risk of physical injury.

I'm surprised Sharon wasn't at the Lame wedding. It would have been nice to see at least one white face in the Bride's section at the wedding. But one of my major problems with the writing is that all their characters are segregated into their own storyline grouping. We don't need to see Lily and Sharon constantly interacting but it would be nice if they wrote that they know each other and share Dru's loss.

AF sucked on B&B. Keep her on Y&R where she is written as an aspiring somebody rather than a baby obsessed nobody like she was on B&B. At least now when the character indicates she'd like to be a mother, she's in the right age group for that biological clock to be going into high gear.

While overall, I'm enjoying the Y&R, there is definitely much room for improvement.

Having Victor turns into a

murderer

will simply destroy the character. As despicable as he is, he has never been and never will be that. Damn, he used to be a complicated character, now he's just a full-on comical relief villain.

And then people are still claiming this show is good.

Edited May 24, 200917 yr by YRBB

It's the opposite.

:lol: So true!