NothinButAttitude

That's finale... OMG. We all need to do whatever we need to do to get Beau back his job. He put his "foot in it" with this finale. That aside, I don't know what I am going to do on Wednesdays now. 😭 I need Marvel/Disney to rehire Beau and get to work ASAP. Unpacking the episode: So glad that Phoenix made an appearance and neutralized Sinister and sent his sneaky, old azz running. I am happy Morph also got his vengeance when he morphed into what Sinister looked like to show him that decrepit being he is now. The homoerotic tones with Xavier and Magnus... yeah. Who needs Rogue or Lilandra when the chemistry is there?! I assumed they would've gone the Onslaught route but didn't. Rogue was beating the stuffing out of Bastion like a piñata. I am thrilled that she not only worked Bastion but Nightcrawler, Sunspot, Cyclops, and our precious baby, Jubilee got in on the action too. Can I just say that Jubilee has grown up so much?! I feel like a proud uncle watching her come into her own. The appearances and Easter eggs of all the Marvel characters warmed my heart. Ironman, Daredevil, Dr. Strange, Cpt. America, Psylocke, Northstar, Aurora, Polaris, Black Panther... and Peter found Mary Jane! I know so many Spiderman 90s series fans are going to be elated. The shocking ending where everyone on Asteroid M got scattered through time--dear God. For one, where did Storm end?! And a fraction of them ending up En Sabah Nur (Apocalypse) at the dawn of time while Jean and Scott being transported to the future with Nathan as a child. At least, they'll get some time to raise him. I think this'll be an issue next season as Scott will not want to venture back to modern day versus staying and raising his son once Bishop and Forge arrive to take them back to 1997. This episode was like Beau's love letter to Marvel fans. I loved it. I want more. I need more. I need them to promote Beau as head of Marvel's animated division.

Good. Time to get the cameras rolling. I have missed my peaches more than anything.

Well now is the time for them to revert to normalcy. But they want to cling to the past, so whatever. With The Gates, I think Michelle Val Jean is going to do something special with her creation. I feel she's going to be the catalyst for change.

@vetsoapfan At this stage, I still don't know why soaps keep doing the same idiotic tropes. I think we all discuss here ad nauseam how primetime and streaming dramas are capitalizing on the normal human experience--a concept soaps devised and excelled at. I don't get why they don't revert to the pre-Luke & Laura/Ice Princess era of soaps. Hopefully, The Gates will be the reset daytime needs. @TheyStartedOnSoaps I didn't know Louise dated Rauch and had a tumultuous history with the Dobsons too. I am now eager to hear what else there is out there about the Dobson, who seem to have been more difficult than what we know.

(re: Lee Patterson) Well, that sucks. The stories that went on to give Clint could've been stories that they could've gave to Joe. But again, we would've probably never gotten Clint. It would've probably just had been better to do the cliche thing and put him in a coma for a few years, but that's the good thing about soap's past. Once you were dead, you were dead. (re: characters) I think at this point the networks are behind certain characters not being killed off. I don't even think it is the writers. But again, it is time to put a lot of characters (yes, veterans) out to pasture. There are four (2 on Y&R and 2 on GH) that can go at this point. Or change their positions at this point--meaning make them supporting characters. But Sonny and Jason need to go! Like any good mob boss should meet their fate by now b/c some young buck should be coming up the ranks trying to snuff them. That happens in real life or any good mob film. (re: Rauch) I didn't know he had an issue with Louise Sorel too. Jesus. Was this when she was on OLTL with him or when he was over Santa Barbara? Just icky. At lot of these networks should be happy about statutes and people not wanting to be blackballed b/c Hollywood would be in shambles over people suing production companies for putting them in precarious situations. (re: hiring pool) The entertainment industry has to be the one industry where you can do a p*ss poor job and still get hired again to do the same thing again. I will never understand why no one sees the good in hiring someone with a fresh pair of eyes, who also cares for the show. Recycling the same people will always result in them recycling the same character types and stories that didn't work on another show. (re: Dorian) Agreed. I also grew tired at one point of them making Dorian's whole existence about pestering Viki. I felt like after the Michael Malone DID story with Viki that Dorian grew past that. Yes, they could've had their quarrels here and there, but it became too much. Especially, once Carlivati got his hands on Dorian. This is why I felt Dorian would've probably been better back at this hospital at odds with Larry. Viki could've been involved in that too as she was on the board, but I think everyone was somewhat over their rivalry towards the end. I will give Carlivati props that the one thing he did was to create Langston, who softened Dorian.

Do we know why Lee Patterson left? Was it because he felt that was as far as he could go with Joe? Was it negotiations? I know he did a stint on Texas/AW before returning to OLTL as a different character in the mid to late 80s. I get why soaps like grey characters now b/c primetime profited off them heavily (i.e. Tony Soprano, J.R. Ewing, Walter White, Vic Mackey, Jax Teller, etc.) but even they all got their comeuppance in a sense. It is long overdue that Jason and Sonny be put out to pasture. You can even see it in Maurice Benard's face that he's over it and phoning it in. I just miss when we had a melange of good and bad characters. But also, the good characters weren't too preachy. They did bad things, but they weren't so bad that they couldn't come back from. I am just shocked that even after SB, P&G and later SONY would hire him for GL and Y&R. And weren't there rumors that he was inappropriate with actresses (allegedly Maeve Kinkead)? I am wondering if this is why Vanessa's time got cut towards the later end of the 90s. But different soap, different thread. I just hate how this industry keeps recycling the same people. I get it is easier b/c there isn't that learning curve, but looking at history, outsiders and newbies tend to be the ones to reignite these shows at times. I would've loved for Dorian to have been established back at the hospital towards the end and have her and Larry at odds. Dare I say it, even test and see if they had chemistry. Wouldn't've hurt as I was growing tired of Dorian and David at that point. Though Rhoda's room was flamboyant, I liked her room too. SN: Thanks for Nick@Nite and being exposed to this show as a child of the 90s.

From what I've watched from the 80s and 90s of Clint, I don't mind him. He was brutish at times, which was a turn-off for me on a lot of soaps. I hate how all the male characters became hypermasculine and so aggressive. And the nice guys on many soaps were cast aside. I will give that to the P&G soaps. They did up until the mid 90s maintain heroes v. antiheroes v. villains until the lines got all blurred. Nice guys in soaps get cast aside, sadly. Oh, I am privy to his antics. Just reading Eight Years of Another World, I don't know how he got rehired again. He seemed to overstep his boundaries as EP. And I don't think soap fans will ever forgive him for stepping on the butt of his cigarette on the final episode of Santa Barbara. I am thinking of the final years of the show too, when Carlivati started to put stories back in the hospital with Rachel, Marty, Greg, Kyle, etc., Larry should've been there to lead the pack as the chief of staff and mentor to people. I've always wanted a beautiful window view as she had along with that bookshelf underneath her mini-stairs 😂 From what? Her eventually becoming a hooker?

Oh wow. I didn't know that Larry had unrequited feelings for Viki at one point. I wonder how the audience at the time would've taken to that. I'd imagine they'd be conflicted. But I think it might've ended up being the best choice that they left them as close friends. I do love when soaps can show that heterosexual men and women can be friends and there doesn't have to always be an attraction. 😂 Oh, Dorian. I am pretty sure Robin and Judith had a hoot playing that. How I heard how Paul Rauch handled the actress who played Sadie was egregious. Wasn't Sadie a surrogate mother for the Woleks? She could've easily been a confidante for Larry; however, as I pointed out, Larry became reduced to nothing post-Karen. I just can't get over how they gave Michael Storm nothing when he was one of the leading men for OLTL for their original golden age. I thought it was just me that loved Mary Richard's apartment on the MTM show! Glad to know there are others that loved that set.

OK. This story rings a bell to me from reading the OLTL anniversary book that I bought a while back. I forgot about the Mark Toland arc. Now that makes sense. I assumed it was because Larry and Viki were so close due to him previously being married to her late sister, Merrie, that was the reason why. But I am pretty sure that added to it along with the aforementioned. And I would die to see the episode where Karen put her paws on Dorian. I bet that was hilarious. But all this talk of Larry makes it sad how he was phased out. The Woleks should've been on the show till the very end. And the Riley's carriage set, I think I've seen that set. Is that the one in the episodes that were once uploaded about Joe's death and the introduction of Clint? I remember seeing the kitchen and living rooms. I just wish soaps went back to sets where they were more personable and not too outlandish or resembled every other soap set.

That's what I am wondering, and I'd love to be educated on the matter. Again, it should be easy to swap a set around and change the furniture to make it look like a whole different room. That'll at least allow us to suspend our imagination a little bit.

Why is anyone on that cast shocked about Jenn Fessler? Jenn was friends with Siggy before she moved to being friends with Marge. We all know she did that b/c Marge has some power over production in recent years. Now, Jenn is hitching her wagon to Tre after seasons of not being made full-time. She knows what she is doing--hoping onto team Tre to get that full-time spot. Nothing wrong with that. And I am pretty sure Tre/Jenn A. know what she is doing too. That's why MeLiar and Granny Marge shouldn't be too mad. They wanted to weaponize Jenn F. but to no avail. I am ready for Jackie to come into play b/c Jackie knows where all the bodies lie. And unlike Tre, Jackie surpasses them in intelligence and can control her emotions. They should fear her and Jenn F. Together, those two could outmaneuver Marge/Rachel/MeHo.

Don't restrain yourself, Khan! I want to hear your honest opinion. I've always wondered why if they are going to have all the characters live in hotel rooms, why not shift the sets around and change aspects of the set to make them more personalized to each character and not be so obvious to us that we are occupying the same set. My mind instantly goes to the GCAC hotel room set. Change it around so each room doesn't look the same.

I miss that in soaps. Again, they all just look the same. I mean we see that nowadays as mostly everyone lives in a damn hotel room on most soaps.

Yes. I like that all the sets were distinct and weren't all that chestnut brown color that became to be too popular on soaps. I guess that is because it might be an HD type matter, but I miss when soaps would experiment with sets. They all look the same.

Thanks! She does look like she and Judith Light could be sisters, which makes it a perfect recast. I am wondering why Larry didn't want Dorian around. I am assuming this is b/c of the whole Victor Lord saga. Also, was that Farley Granger? If so, I did not know he was on OLTL. I just thought ATWT was the only soap he did. Something that I find myself loving about old clips is looking at the sets. Even though they are so simplistic from what they became, they still have a grandness about them.

Was this episode ever posted in this thread? Wow. This is the first I've seen Claire Malis in the role of Dorian. From what I've seen, I've quite enjoyed her. She was quite aloof, controlled, and haughty compared to Robin's Dorian. And who is playing Karen in this episode? Is that Judith Light?

It would warm my heart to see her land on The Gates and for the show to surpass Y&R and become a success. It'd make Steve Kent seethe to see her rightfully back on top.

At this point, they need to go back to doing classes of Lifetime Achievement to veterans of daytime. While Kathy may not be here to accept her EMMY, they can give it to her daughter. There are a plethora of AW actors (Vicky Wyndham, Anna Stuart, Steven Schnetzer, whoever is a distant relative of Connie Ford) that I would like to see get one too. Too many people contributed to this genre, which was the foundation of what TV and streaming are now, to not get acknowledged. Get rid of the fluff crap during the ceremony and use that time to pay homage to the veterans that paved the way.