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Why didn't they just make Alexis full-time too? She's going to drive most of the story this season. And I bet she'll contribute more than Emily and Gina combined. And poor Jen is becoming Tamra's new "Gretchen." Jen just needs to clothesline Tamra at this point so that she can back up off her relationship. Or meet her in the gutter and spill tea on Tamra. I am shocked that Gina isn't holding Shannon's feet more to the fire. Maybe they didn't put that in the trailer and we'll see more of it once the season arrives. I don't know why Vicki even still tries. Girl, Andy has moved on from you. You'll be lucky if you get a WWHL appearance when the season airs. Andy giving you that Lifetime Achievement award at BravoCon was his way of closing the door on you.

OK, Cali posters, isn't Bel Air where the true old money lives? If so, why hasn't Bravo approached anyone there?

Ayan has early boot written all over on Traitors. I give her 3 episodes tops, and that is me being generous. Those outfits and her constant touting, "I'm the hottest" will grow old with folks. @Cheap21, I love you, friend, but Ayan is not the force multiplier in Dubai. I'd give that role to Brooks, and even she sucks at it.

Good for her bowing out at her own will. I do think though that she would've remained as long as she wanted. That's one thing I'll give to Corrie unlike most soaps, they'll keep their vets till the bitter end. I don't imagine they'll kill Gail. I think they'll give her a nice sendoff where she'll opt to retire somewhere abroad and keep her alive offscreen.

The people on this forum if allowed total autonomy and no network interference. At this point, that is the ONLY way to save any of these shows.

In my opinion, Nina created a lot of tension among the ladies before the show started. They sort of brushed on the topic throughout the season. Even Brooks cosigned it. Nina hated Stanbury previously, and Lesa & Ayan were loyal to Nina by not liking Stanbury either. Nina fed them a lot of negative stuff about Stanbury, but as we saw, Nina grew to like Stanbury herself. The hatred between the two has spiraled into something larger than it should be. I also think that Stanbury thought she would be "queen bee" b/c she was the draw for Bravo to do a show in Dubai; however, Lesa, Ayan, and Brooks were not going to stand for it. Weirdly, Lesa has stated she's good with everyone in the cast except Ayan. That puts Ayan in a precarious situation in future seasons because I think Stanbury secretly hates Ayan more than she does Lesa. 'As most of the cast have pointed out, Lesa and Stanbury are much alike. If Stanbury had the choice, she'd rather be buddied up with Lesa. Lesa is ride or die, and Stanbury wants someone like that in her corner at all times (as we come to learn, Brooks and Sara fall out with Stanbury this season). That's been her modus operandi since Ladies of London. Remember Juliet? With Ayan most likely showing herself to be fickle and constantly playing to the audience, Stanbury knows Ayan will turn on her soon enough.

@Cat don't forget that Eric ruined RHOA too. I never understood why Bravo thought he'd be good for RHOA--the crown jewel. Maybe he'll stumble into a win on NY, but I don't see the women falling for his messy antics on nuRHONY. I think they have a silent bond as to how far to take it. And regarding Chanel, once I heard that she and Lesa parted ways, I knew the goodness about her would wear off. She needs to tone it down b/c her antics are old. It was cute season 1. Now we're over it. Show us something more. The lavish, borrowed outfits, feigning to be an airhead, and proclaiming to be the "hottest" is old. I don't think the women or Bravo realized but Lesa is about to emerge as the face of Dubai. This miscalculation happens all the time. Bravo thought Gizelle would be the star, and Karen came in the second season and threw a wrench in the plan. Same with them thinking Dina and Caroline would be the stars on NJ and it later ended up being Tre and Danielle. And on BH, Bravo thought Kyle & Kim would be the stars b/c they were related to Kathy and LVP emerged as the dark horse.

I am loving all this nuRHONY love in this thread! Finally, people are seeing the potential with this show. My only gripe is that they now have Eric Fuller as EP. I need Bravo to cut ties with folks when it doesn't work. Stop recycling them to other shows. That how soaps suffered.

Exactly. But for some reason, they stay swimming in that international money. So Brad will continue the same stories: Steffy v. Hope over men Brooke & Ridge marital issues and reunion Sheila plotting to win over Finn and getting foiled each time Everyone else getting 1-2 scenes a month Forrester being in some peril that goes nowhere & is wrapped up in 2 days

Again, we'll agree to disagree. At this point, there is nothing wrong with cutting losses with the remaining for soaps and everything tied to them--actors, production teams, etc. All these shows died back in the early 00s. Brad isn't going anywhere. His mediocre writing compels something with international audiences, so he'll continue to do the bare minimum. SONY will keep shuffling the same floppy production teams between DAYS & Y&R. ABC will keep Frank and whoever he wants as head writer as they keep the show cheaply done. None of these shows will recapture their true essence again. So I stand firm in letting them go and starting anew. Folks swore scripted dramas and comedies wouldn't bounce back years ago, but look at them now. They've been in a renaissance for the past 5+ years. Soaps can easily do the same but not with the current crop. But if I am proven wrong, I'll gladly eat crow.

I'd give Tre a cooking spinoff on Peacock. Other than that, I'd fire everyone and start fresh. I might even opt to head to a new city (i.e. New Orleans, Vegas, London, Santa Barbara) if I was running Bravo. I feel Bravo was stupid for letting the SLC women dictate the casting. Now all the women on all these shows will do the same. Stop allowing the inmates to run the asylum. I'd be sending out an email (too) that pay would be slashed since there's no traditional reunion to occur.

If NJ can't even reunite together, cancel the whole d*mn show. Time for a reboot.

But Brad has always forgotten that Los Angeles was a character (itself) on the show, and the LA nowadays is not the LA of the 80s and 90s. The fluff days are over. Hell, most people I know are trying to leave LA because they say it is too expensive and changes in global warming. That aside, I think the only way to "fix" B&B would be a total reboot. Keep the name and dump all the characters. I truly think all the stories for this show has been told with this batch of characters. I love your optimism first and foremost. But I think I am in this funk with the current crop of soaps where I don't see it for any of them. After implementing everything you mapped out, the network might as well invest in a new batch of soaps. By the time you remove and change stuff, the audience who still watches will have moved on. We may agree to disagree, but the remaining four soaps are dead in the water. They are antiquated relics of the past. The remaining four soaps have not tried to adapt nowadays. They've allowed streaming and primetime shows to capitalize on what made soaps hot back then. I'm looking to the future with The Gates. I pray this show is progressive in storytelling and that CBS allows this show to go where no U.S. soap has before. And what I truly wish is that soaps would go back to being 30 minutes because none of them know how to handle an hour now. Hell, I'd even suggest trimming the days of the week from 5 to 3 days a week. Lastly, I do think that the soap genre can have a new, multi-generational audience; however, soaps would have to stray from the current models and revert to the 50s-mid 70s models: small & intimate casts, envelope-pushing topical issues, detailed and logical storytelling, and production teams who want to be there.

Oh she's getting dragged on Twitter. People are now tweeting that Noelle Beck is the #1 Lily. 😂 Talk about squashing your legacy horribly. She should've just kept that bad take to herself.

Is it bad that I feel that none of the remaining four soaps can be saved (at this point)? Honestly, I am at this point where I feel that they need to put the four shows out to pasture and start fresh with The Gates ushering in a group of new soaps. Brad will never leave B&B, but if he does, the show will be so horrible that the person who comes in behind won't have anything to fix b/c it'll be rubble at that point.

Sad but I had to unfollow Martha Byrne on Twitter. I couldn't with her whining about the justice system and implying Agent Orange is some victim. Girl, bye.

That man was about to cry while on the microphone! To jail, you go, felon! I hope the Exonerated Five are somewhere cheesing.

I didn't know that tidbit about Jody. Thanks for sharing that! Stuff like this just makes me wish all the P&G shows were on the same network b/c the crossovers amongst the shows would've been epic.

(re: about 6 mins in with Mitzi/Cliff) Even though it wasn't the Springfield Journal (instead it was the Springfield Gazette), it was nice to see EON reference another P&G soap subtly in dialog. Also, didn't April and Draper house used to be in Oakdale? Or was that Emily/Molly's house? Regardless, it warms my heart to see how EON tied itself to Springfield and Oakdale. I wonder if Henderson, Bay City, or Somerset ever got mentioned on the show.

Stanbury will play along for now. If the show gets renewed for a third season, I see her flipping on Ayan, which'll put Ayan on the island. Lesa does still seem to interact with Brooks. I think she's OK with Taleen. I do know that Sara/Brooks and Stanbury have issues this season, so we'll see how this plays out too.

@Taoboi & @Cat, thanks for clearing it up for Stanbury; however, I still don't think she's that wealthy because Lesa did Caroline S. could not get a mortgage in wealth part of Dubai. But whatever. That aside, I think Ayan isn't as savvy as Bethenny to control the narrative fully. Ayan gives me Nene/Jill vibes at the most. She'll be loud. Bravo will give her the mic most of the time, but the fans, who have evolved from the early days of Bravo, will read between the lines. I feel like Ayan is about to Jill herself. By that, I mean the beef with Lesa won't be anything too serious, but Ayan will want to make it larger. She'll overplay her hand, and the fans will be done with her. The audience hates it when one woman tries to turn an entire cast against 1 person. The fans didn't like it when Caroline did to Danielle and later Tre. The fans grew tired when Phaedra/Nene tried to ice Kenya out constantly. Kyle used to catch hell when she'd do it LVP. And the SLC women are catching it for what they did to Monica. Plus if you didn't watch Lesa on College Hill, she's used to taking on an entire cast, standing on her own, and still being one of the main stars. Her being quiet should rattle Ayan, which I feel is happening hence why Ayan is doing every interview possible.

They were cute. Nothing too gagworthy as a tagline. Taleen's was a cute nod to Dynasty. I just never got the vibe that Stanbury was "old money." Married into money, yes. And her ties to Ghislaine Maxwell never go unnoticed with me. Also, does anyone else get the feeling that Ayan is about to take a fall this season? It's like she's trying to get ahead of the season by doing all the press; meanwhile, Lesa is quiet and cool as a cucumber.

*sighs* I am sorry but both of them are trash for that. Now is not the time for this.