Gray Bunny

People stole hard drives. Oh boy...

No tears shed here. A terrorist QAnon whackjob who thought yesterday was "the storm?" Have fun burning in hell, mongrel. If she were white, the right would say she had it coming. Well Ashli, you had it comin' gurl.

Ohhhhh LOL well then good for him/her!

You are so right that Luann's real life drama helped even out the scales that were tipped WAY over on Bethenny's side. OMG Donn Gunvalson... he is so petty with his housewives trolling, but he's also damn funny.

Agreed on both points. Perhaps it's best Samantha doesn't return.... would she STILL be an oversexed whore at 65 years of age? It would be too comical. Like when Betty White and Florence Henderson started playing off that hyper sexualized grandma persona.

Of course I'll watch, but sometimes you can't go back home. Would Carrie STILL own her rent-controlled apartment on the side? Why? So Charlotte can have her "alone time" to read? Would we delve into real-world politics and out Charlotte as a Trump donor? (Or, like post-9/11, will they steer clear of topical issues?). Miranda is the mom to a college-aged kid now. Would he be gay? Non-binary? Surely they won't make him some hum-drum basic heterosexual. And Carrie... you still writing that column for a newspaper that no one reads anymore? Or is it strictly an online column/blog/YouTube video? Are you STILL going out every weekend to guzzle down cosmos or are you nestled on the couch watching 90 Day Fiance? I look forward to seeing what they come up with, Samantha or no Samantha.

Yeah... Rinna's giving me Janice the Guitar Player Muppet vibes....

First of all, @DaytimeFan @Cat @Taoboi... LOVED your Best & Worst lists! How could I forget to mention the wonderful departure of Terri DeMarco? Oh, that's right. Because she's so BORING she's also FORGETTABLE! Sutton said it best. And a +1 to Rinna needing to be the next Housewife to get her comeuppance. Right after Gizelle needing a true takedown next season, but I digress... RHOC: Elizabeth's cult confession is eye opening. Who knows what kind of ramifications will happen within the OC group by spilling the tea to Braunwyn, but WOW. That's a mindfukkery of epic proportions. No wonder she's so guarded. +1 on liking Emily and her family's authentic journey dealing with COVID versus Shannon's "ME ME ME" meltdown. Seeing her children eyerolling her on the zoom call... I think it's a combo of being spoiled brats as well as having Shannon Beador as a mother. It can't be easy being her child. +1 on side-eyeing Braunwyn when she made her daughter's COVID concerns all about her. Braunwyn is a lot to handle these days as a viewer. Add to that, her recent social media confession that she'd be devastated to see soon-to-be ex-hubby Sean with another woman. But... aren't YOU with another woman already? I also like Gina's commentary. She's not trying to be top dog, and I like that. Her quips are similar to Carole's over on NYC.... Which by the way, it does not surprise me in the least to hear the real reason why Bethenny turned on Carole! There's always an angle with Bethenny as it has been since day one, cozying up to Jill Zarin in the early years until she could stand on her own. Her humanitarian efforts are amazing, but in the arena of fame and fortune, she's always clawing for more.

Heather is full of so much win. I absolutely loved the fact that she already knew everything Jen had been saying about Meredith, but didn't spread gossip nor thought it was Jen's place to be going around speculating. That's a true friend; that's the real deal. Loved seeing Whitney with her father. So much history there with getting hurt and being disappointed in her father. It's no surprise that he's leaned on her financially for support time and time again. I'm glad she put her foot down about not supporting him this time. I enjoyed the house husband dynamic. Jen's hubby is actually pretty cool. I wasn't expecting that; I expected another Charrisse Jordan Jackson Jordan situation (I can't remember which last name goes first). I agree @Taoboi that the Meredith/Seth situation is the stuff of soap opera angst. Such an interesting dynamic. Ditto the dynamic with Lisa and her husband. Hubby & I find it funny and strange how they so openly admit their work comes first and their children come second. Add to that Lisa's comment that she'd like to incorporate her kids into her work in order to spend time with them. Her priorities regarding her children are a little out of whack IMO but then again I don't have kids and never will. 30 years from now, I'm sure she'll wish she had spent more time with her children and will smother her grandchildren instead. The snow ski jets looked fun. That's the only type of snow adventures I would do myself. I can't balance for [!@#$%^&*] and would die trying to ski. I can't even rollerblade LOL. Definitely the latter. I spy smirks from her bystanders. I couldn't keep a straight face with that clown either.

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***THE BEST & WORST OF 2020*** It's that time of year again, Real Housewives fans! Last year, I did a play on SOD's annual Best & Worst editions. This year, how about an overall State of the Housewives address, show by show? I'll start. Please make your own lists and share reasons why Love y'all! Best Show The Real Housewives of Potomac After waiting extra long for the women of the 20854 to return to TV (thanks, COVID!), absence indeed made the heart grow fonder when leading ladies Karen, Ashley and Monique returned, alongside supporting players Gizelle, Robyn, Candiace and newcomer Dr. Wendy. Never a stranger to breaking the 4th wall of reality TV, Potomac DELIVERED with juicy scandals onscreen and off. Though never a ratings powerhouse, this year's focus on the Monique vs. Candiace physical altercation gave the show mainstream attention as well as a healthy bump in their Nielsen numbers. Most Entertaining Show The Real Housewives of New York City The true comeback kid of all the Real Housewives, RHONY was re-energized starting in Season 7 with the return of Bethenny, the addition of Dorinda, and the rising star power of Countess LuAnn. As always, this past season provided belly laughs galore as well as plenty of tears and drama. I am cautiously optimistic about their new season coming in 2021, as their 2.0 reboot roster has left us one by one (first Carole, then Bethenny, now Dorinda and Tinsley), leaving us with our usual powerhouse players Luann, Ramona, and Sonja (the same 3 that survived the mass exodus of 2011), alongside relatively successful newcomer Leah. Knowing our RHONY vets, I'm sure they'll provide us with another year of laughter and bickering, but let's hope they ease up on the boozing this time around... Show You Love to Hate The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Love 'em or hate 'em, we're still watching them. While most of them are reviled pieces of garbage, we still view it like a bloody trainwreck. After chasing off the show's top star, Lisa Vanderpump, in the previous season, the RHOBH Mean Girls coven picked a new target this year in the form of Denise f**king Richards. Though some castmembers were finally called out for their shady financial dealings, they were mostly left unscathed. However, the tides seem to be turning on at least one housewife (Erika Jayne, a "pretty mess" indeed), which will make for a salacious story in 2021, as long as producers don't protect her again. Though Denise's performance was sometimes shaky, the majority of the audience remained on her side. Sadly, she will not be returning, but we were blessed with two fabulous newcomers (Garcelle Beauvais and Sutton Stracke) with strong rooting potential. Knowing Kyle's petty animosity and insecurity, Garcelle will surely be Vile Kyle's next target... Show You Don't Watch The Real Housewives of Dallas Sorry folks. I never got into this one. Show That's Heating Up The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City The new kids on the block, the women of the Beehive State are providing a strong and entertaining freshman season. Surrounded by snow, mountains, and the Mormon church, newbies Heather, Meredith, Whitney, Jen, Lisa, and kooky Mary have already given us much drama, laughter, and fabulosity. They also are not afraid to reveal intimate and vulnerable aspects of their lives (well, most of them. Jury is still out on Jen...). In just a short time, RHOSLC has become Must-See-TV in the world of reality junk food television. I look forward to seeing more! Show That's Cooling Off The Real Housewives of Atlanta The crown jewel of Bravo has taken a hit in the Nielsens in recent years, with RHOBH taking over as the network's top rated Housewives of 2020. Once upon a time, Nene Leakes was their leading lady, but her final year gave us nothing but mean mugs and polarizing appearances. This season seems to be a soft rebuild as they try out some new players to mix it up with their vets. The ratings are down as they slowly simmer to an eventual boiling point in storyline drama. Still, RHOA gets mainstream buzz and attention, as veterans Kandi, Cynthia, Kenya, and Porsha crank out yet another year of fun shade and reads. However, this may just be the beginning of a retooling of this aging franchise. Show That's Just Staying Afloat (TIE) The Real Housewives of Orange County and The Real Housewives of New Jersey Unlike Potomac, which leaked oodles and oodles of juicy storyline nuggets during their long break between seasons, it seems to be "Out of Sight; Out of Mind" for the women of the Garden State. We've heard virtually nothing about the new season of RHONJ, save for the fact that Teresa Guidice is finally dating a new man. Still, it must be noted that RHONJ successfully rebounded with their own 2.0 reboot after languishing for years with poor casting additions after the endless Teresa/Melissa/Jacqueline/Caroline/Kathy quintangle was finally put to rest. The addition of the hilarious Margaret (and don't forget Marge Sr.!), as well as Dolores (a real-life friend of Teresa), and relative newcomers Jennifer and Jackie, have helped rebuild this once-massive Bravo hit. Now that Danielle Staub has officially sworn off Housewives for good, let's see who's the target in 2021. My guess is the friction between Margaret and Teresa hasn't completely settled... Meanwhile, over on the west coast, RHOC decided to kick out their OG, Vicki Gulvanson as well as their long-running resident pot-stirrer, Tamra Judge, and rebuild the show around remaining vets Shannon Beador and Kelly Dodd, and a gaggle of B-list supporting players (Gina, Emily, Braunwyn) and newcomer Elizabeth. Having the unpleasant distinction of filming during the lockdown quarantine of COVID-19, this season has showcased this weak cast's unlikable qualities more than their redeeming ones. There's drama brewing, with Braunwyn's newfound sober life and Kelly Dodd's crass and unlikable opinions about current social issues. With Nielsen numbers down and a general disdain from viewers for the majority of the women, they might want to try bringing back one of their stronger vets for next season...

See, now that's another thing that's infuriating. Monique's progress was real. Putting the "real" in Real Housewives. The fact that she found her trigger moment (her dad putting his hands in her face as a young kid, and no ability to defend herself) shows a therapeutic journey and real progress. It wasn't something just made up out of thin air. What kind of emotional journey has Crusty Napkin gone through? My guess is a very, very short one. In the end, Monique wins. She has the loving husband, the beautiful children, the gorgeous FOUR homes, financial security, and confidence in herself. Other than having beautiful girls of her own, what else can Gizelle boast?

Maybe we can finally get Katie Rost back If she's back in a better position from a mental and emotional standpoint. Recently rewatching Season 1 gave me a new appreciation for her, and she'd be a friend to Ashley and likely Karen.

Finally catching up on this thread and SON.... A belated Merry Christmas to everyone! That Potomac reunion had me fired up and left me feeling gypped, to be honest. For as juicy and epic as this reunion was, they gave the Samuels the short end of the stick, at least Andy did. I wanted to hear more from that binder! But Cokehead wasn't allowing it, other than reluctantly acquiescing in Part 1. I wanted to hear Chris and Monique be able to explain how everything went down and what they knew, and have ZERO interruptions from Cokehead, the GEB's, or the Crusty Napkin, but of course we couldn't get that. Thank goodness production had the Samuels' back and aired Gizelle's dirty laundry (i.e. the unaired footage). And I *loved* how Chris spoke directly to Gizelle about being the main potstirrer of the trainer/baby rumor. "Hurt people hurt people. Go get some help." That was delicious. Peace out. This was Gizelle's worst reunion but when you have Andy trying to placate the attacks, it's obvious they're still trying to make Gizelle happen. Just like "fetch," Gizelle is NEVER gonna happen, Andy! With all the drama about the fight and rumor, it's kind of funny how that final altercation between Michael Darby and non-factor Chris became an afterthought. I think had Michael and Juan been in attendance, we might've gotten an official 4th Part to this reunion. But sadly, there really is nowhere for them to go from here than to make cast changes. I'm saddened that Monique is not returning, but I understand why. I hate to think Gizelle/Candiace etc. are cackling right now about how they "won," but perhaps one of *them* won't be asked back...? Even though Ashley wasn't in the middle of things as much this reunion, her and creepy Michael help make Potomac what it is, just as Alex & Simon's unconventional marriage helped round out the early years of NYC. As long as The Grande Dame and Ashley return, I'll gladly tune in next season. And Robyn can return only so we can continue seeing Juan. I agree "a thousand percent!" (©Jill Zarin). All the more infuriating when you see bad behavior continuously rewarded (See: 86% of the Beverly Hills cast). I'm sure Gizzard will get another year, just as Rinna, Richards, Erotika etc. did on BH for two years straight now.

LOL y'all are reading something out of nothing.

Yeah, I don't get why primetime network melodramas have to be so fast-paced and plot oriented. We got through watching Filthy Rich on FOX (the one with Kim Cattrall) and once again, a drama on speed. They burn through plot so quickly with no reflection or ramifications or a real sense of the characters. The streaming shows do it right, why are the networks so skittish on slowing things down? +1 This Is Us is the one exception to the rule. I would also say A Million Little Things has a good pace.

Agreed. The article posted certainly highlighted on the newer (i.e. those who've been around for 3-4 years) folks needing to step up their game. On nights when Cecily Strong is off, Aidy is MIA, and McKinnon only does the opening sketch, there are some weak sauce players and the skits don't gel. They've got a great team of players overall, but I agree some of the sideline players need to sieze the moment and become the next big breakouts. That said, newbies Bowen Yang kills it in everything he does, and Chloe Fineman is definitely picking up the pace. And Ego excels - they need to build on her.

Thank you for these ratings nuggets of info. Ever since the demise of TVByTheNumbers, I've forgotten to check numbers out. Great for Potomac though! And glad to hear SLC is a success.

I was thinking the same thing. By herself, she's harmless. She'll always be a supporting player no matter what, but without Gizelle to prop her up, I'd like to see how/if she stands on her own. Gizelle is the Kyle Richards and Karen is the Lisa Vanderpump. Bravo/Andy went into Potomac thinking Gizelle would be the breakout star just as he and Kyle herself thought *she* would be the breakout of Beverly Hills, but the fabulous elders took over as the fan faves. Candiace has zero sincerity about anyone on this show. Zero. Preach! And yes, I loved how Bravo's own editing team betrayed Andy's words. Nice try Miss Cohen.

Yikes. Shane got it bad. Let's see how Sloppy Kelly Dodd reacts.

What bugs me the most about Gizelle's new home is that she has put ZERO effort into any type of landscaping. From the outside, it looks like a condemned house. Plant a bush, get some mulch, get some rocks, put in some cute trees... something!! +1 Yaaass! RHOA: Yes @j swift LaToya is a definite try-hard. I wasn't impressed. I'm liking what I see of Drew so far. The marriage of her and Ralph is contentious to say the least, but on a shallow note --- WOW --- he's giving Apollo and Ed Hartwell a run for their money as the all-time hottest House Husband, at least in my opinion

Side note: I loved how Karen used Gizelle’s own tag line (“word on the street”) against her a good three times or so. 😝

Wendy Oafsefo trying with that "aggressive" comment against Ashley, but she's okay with her BFF Candy Cane calling Monique a hood rat? Gurl bye. Please be a one-and-done. Robyn asking what's the point of all this? Um, the chickens have come home to roost, miss booboo the foo'. Gizzard, Crusty Cane, and Cha-Cha got down and dirty, trying to plant a disgusting rumor about Monique's child and her family, and it's time to pay the price. That's the point. Karen's direct questions to Gizzard had me hollering. Monique's flawless takedown of Gizzard at the end is something every single housewife on these shows should take note of, especially those who have been wronged by other women [Side note: I could see someone like Lisa Rinna doing this at the next Beverly Hills reunion, but it'll be for ugliness and viciousness, not vindication]. Someone put a muzzle on Crusty Cane. Just because you're loud, doesn't mean you're right (© Bethenny Frankel). That was such a treat to watch. I even enjoyed the lightheartedness at the beginning where they all clowned each other's fashion and hair choices of the past 5 years. I'm wondering that too. We're past the point of light shade and catty banter. Some people will be refusing to film with others (they already did that to Monique this past season). Between Monique vs. the women on the right couch (plus Robyn), Ashley's hubby vs. Crusty's hubby, plus Karen and Gizelle taking it down to a new level, I'm wondering what next season will look like... However, if the Hugers and Darbys can still break bread together, anything is possible. And another example of why Karen and Ashley are MVP's and both are necessary for this franchise.

EPIC. What will surely go down in Housewives herstory....