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I feel that as well. I also would add that for some of the older soap fans, it's been so long since a soap has truly given it like the soaps of old...and being used to the pacing of today and shows like Empire and Tyler Perry's that they are out of practice so they might be impatient right along with the newer fans. I know I've been saying this a lot the last few days in the Y&R and GH thread, but it is really a compliment to the acting that I love the actress playing Eva, but I no longer like Eva as a character...outside of the start of her and Izaiah. She's truly her mother's daughter. But that's good because Kat vs Eva is a great rivalry and while it's not perfect, it is most definitely messy and continues to have legs...a happy accident (like Dani/Andre was in the main story of Dani/Bill/Hayley) in the main storyline of Silk Press Sheila. You know you hit gold when the audience is not only engaged, but they are evenly divided on whom side they are on. I have noticed what appear to be slight story shifts going on since Thomson came on. And one of them does appear like Tomas is being more background in that storyline while Kat and Eva appear to be more around Izaiah. Perhaps it will finally be phased out if not pulled out of that orbit.

I haven't started this past week yet, but I did roll my eyes at Luna managing to escape cuz...WHY??? They really ran out of things to write for her didn't they? I do admit that I don't mind the Spencers being the focus of story for the moment. It's a nice change of pace. While I think Carter/Daphne are cute, it is sad to see Carter back in C PlotLand. For me...outside of Sinn and enjoying the new sets, the only thing holding my interest completely has been Taylor/Deacon/Sheila.

Well when villains don't get some form of comeuppance, soap audiences tend to complain about it. That was the very nature of those arcs on soaps so the villains could even stay around on canvas. We saw them scheme. We saw them get smug. We saw them set up for the fall. And then we saw them exposed (at an event in front of the whole town). We saw them become the pariah. And if the acting is right, we saw them become the underdog in some cases. Or put in jail/ran out of town otherwise. If not killed. The best ones also had a trump card that would either lead to redemption of some sort...or for them to start the cycle again.

Especially not the father of her kids. VERY telling.

11-14 See? That was a good pivot. I was just saying that a few months ago that since I got back to regularly viewing, GH had a thing going on where they would do the shift between their storyline focus and be able to do it in such a way, that they did not lose their momentum. At all. And it was great. Until it wasn't. And honestly, it seem to happen with the start of the Britt/Nathan returns. Thankfully, Monica's death (rightfully) overtook those storylines. I love that since that storyline ended, it has that rhythm again. Starting with Ned's heart attack, it's been just grooving along again. I had really been enjoying Ned's increased presence. I really loved him getting close to Gio. So I was sad at his attack (is there anything Wally can't do?). And the fallout has been great to watch as well. And I liked how that story connected to the Gio/Emma/Teens storyline to break into the Professor's office. And WOW how that storyline is snowballing. It shows how connected Rocco is, too. I was not expecting him to get in trouble. Nor was I expecting him to wind up in court with NO BAIL. Sonny. Dante. Lulu. Britt. LAURA. It affects everybody. Well, a lot of people I care about at least. lol. I do want more of Dante/Lulu dealing with it, but I love how Laura is involved cuz I was just mentioning how light Laura's appearances have been, and those have been mucha ado about nothing. 'Til now. Erza's still a thorn in her side. Now the Professor. And I like how Gio/Emma are involved, giving them a story within the story as well. And lest forgotten, this Rocco storyline also lightly touches on Sonny vs Sidwell so... ...seeing a pattern here with each story connecting in some way or the other all of a sudden? Cuz Sidwell continued to intrigue. And I found Britt more suited for her alliance with him (and that brief scene with Nathan at the police station) than whatever propping they been doing with her since she came back to PC with Jason. I saw a little piece of who she was so while I hate the Rocco angle of her return, a start. And I'm not liking the angle of Lucas moving in with him and Marco...okay, I am...but it seems like Carly's Revenge...which I was looking forward to...is going to be a slow (not a slow burn) storyline so le sigh. Speaking of Sonny... ...he just made Portia's life so much messier...and it was ALREADY MESSY. lol. So Alexis knowing she might be a suspect in Drew's shooting and having Felicia on the case = love. Now THAT is a slow burn. Involving a lot of characters I like, too. I liked Stella figuring it out and being...well Stella...with Curtis. I shook my head at how gullible Curtis is at Portia's hesitation to say she's preggers. I loved Trina reading Jordan down. And at some point...Portia is going to realize she's a target, too? This group hasn't been this interesting in a minute. MORE PLEASE. Speaking of the shooting... ...THEY ACTUALLY LET WILLOW OUT??? Who I still think is the shooter. And just look at the sass and shade she gave Jacinta when she saw her with Michael and Wiley. But she's just nice and sweet and innocent??? That bitca is CRAY-CRAY!! I expected more from BLQ when she finally got a clue about Chase being around Willow, but a good start. I think what I like best about all of the above? They all flow into each other and back, showing how they connect. I don't even think the writers meant for the umbrella effect of it all. But if they did, well-played. I'm either interested or intrigued at all parts. I think the only thing that is bothering me is the lack of Liz and how Nathan's storyline has just stalled. Honorable mention to Anna's disappearance, but heck...Dante as Commissioner which gives him more story...YES, PLEASE. I too liked the Sonny/Ric scene. And a nice Friday cliffhanger with Rocco in handcuffs.

Well, darn, Trina! YOU...BETTA...READ.

Agree. I can't even keep up.

lol

Same. Cuz CBS STILL hasn't given a reason for their repeats. The audience only know because it was spilled by everyone BUT CBS who apparently can't do PR to save their lives.

11-21 Well let me get the bad out of the way since I saw how that Cane/Giggly Heffa episode ended, and I admit that was enough of a cliffhanger (in walked Lily) to keep viewing as background music until I got to the Chris/Danny wedding. Sold on Lucas Adams as Noah. I felt a way when it was announced, but there's nothing I've seen of him so far that makes me not see Noah. Good on him. And we know I'm living for Tamara Braun as Sienna. And...as for Roger...well like BF as Cane...I found that I liked his Matt vs Sharon (even if I found SC to be overacting which I'm not used to from her) scene even if he had some Todd/Franco moments. But like BF as Cane...the story is a NO for me. So we are doing Holden/Claire which looks more like a triangle with Audra than Kyle. Okay. Serves Kyle right. I think I like Cane/Giggly Heffa in a hatred kinda of way and because I live for Lily vs Giggly Heffa. But again...eh on the storyline. I guess it could intrigue due to the chemistry between the actor and actress. I'm all for seeing Josh Morrow's arms even if I don't like that short-sleeved hoodie. Good to see Matt Cohen, but that chick with him is a NO. It reminded me of Maggie, but not as well acted. Now as for the wedding... The set. The camera angles. The returns. The clothes. I loved each and every minute of it. Gina got an entrance! NINAAAA got an entrance! Amy FINALLY got to interact with Tracy! And I lived for her and Nina going in on Cane. And I really and truly was hoping that Gina was about to kick Giggly Heffa's tail. Danny cleans up well. And Mmmm to the onion in the back. ;) And Christine looked lovely even if I felt a way about that dress. And I can't believe that Phyllis is such a sore loser that she would try to ruin the day. I guess Cane really was not all that in bed. So far, so good on the wedding.

OMG! I have been enjoying Nina back and with Christine. BUT I'm getting her (and Amy, too) getting to call Cane out, too??? YES, PLEASE.

BEAT HER BUTT, GINA!!!!

Hehe. So true about Steffy and social media over Finn. But god, JMW is always glowing after she has a baby. I love it.

Well he has always had a nice onion, but I would say the latter. And as Ranger said...I do perfer him with hair. ;P :P But yep. VERY nice.

Totally agree. Which is why I was happy when they did that last week, they rightfully picked the anniversary party episodes.

Very. But I liked the Articulate story and the concert so not bothered at all. I miss me some Tracy.

Yeah outside of Friday (and I don't know why other than Jamey/Jazmen don't mix), I don't feel it's stalling in a bad way either. I really am starting to think that something IS going to happen with SPS because the confrontations between her and Laura keep having. That return of the SPS I fell in love with was on full display for a second there...then she played it off. Why would the writers keep reminding us of it if something in terms of that unless something is going to be revealed and (fingers crossed) comeuppance is named Silk Press Sheila. IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE TOWN (and Have-Nots) perferably. I also wonder if it's a case of Tracy Thomson doing new storyline directions as well.

It's been a busy week so early apologies for the late reply. Since we did this conversation last month and it devolved into that other recurring conversation that pops back up like a weed and (and I see it's trying to at a glance of the last page)...I will say this much...I personally feel that if neither one of you are on ignore and that poster still hasn't replied, they might be doing that word that starts with a T (& is currently banned from this thread on you) IMHO. I know you have asked enough times. Again...to say more than that will turn into the OTHER recurring conversation that we all collectively are trying to avoid so I will cease on referencing on that. As for Carlivati and Giddens, just like the last time we had this conversation, I think I explained it well from my POV...using RC as the example and how his first episode was. I'm not sure if you have followed RC's writing regime through the shows he has been on outside of GH, but I posted out some of his characteristics then from that first episode and Vee also brought up that first episode earlier this week as well. And thank you to @Chris B for giving a little bit about the breakdown writer as well because part of the reason I do pick on the breakdown writer...from memory of soap articles, interviews from TV shows, reading up on writing, etc...has been that some of the lines of dialogue can be written directly from the breakdown writer on his breakdown and 'lifted' onto the scriptwriter's script for the day...something Chris said that Jamey (who as a writer I have said I don't have any experience with unlike other boarders) has mentioned re: actual dialogue in his breakdowns. What intrigued me the most this week...is we ACTUALLY have what I was talking about on FULL DISPLAY this week. Ron Carlivati had back-to-back breakdowns this week. And the episodes were good, but they were night and day literally (and I can't wait to rewatch). Overall, I have found that RC has improved IMO and his breakdowns always seem to be the most soapy...usually in a good way. Jazmen did one day and Danielle Paige the other. I mentioned that I found that Jazmen really seems to be able to turn straw into gold and can really write a great script in spite of RC's writing tics. I have so far found that Danielle is weak in that regard...so it didn't surprise me in her episode with RC's breakdown...a LOT of those campy usually-not humorous-to-me RC writing tics were showing up versus Jazmen's episode where I didn't pick up on anything, but a good episode. So I do feel a good scriptwriter (looking at you, GH under Guza) can take overall story breakdowns and make something of it even if the writing is horrible or problematic. I haven't read through the whole week yet so I'm surprised I saw very little of people talking on the fact RC did back-to-back breakdowns and started to compare the scriptwriters. That is completely ripe for discussion and debate simply because we been talking dialogue for a few weeks now.

Thank you, Errol. It's been so long I really could not remember for sure without a SOD in front of me. :)

I do feel that the show has stalled as of last week and moreso once Nicole said in dialogue that Winterfest is NEXT MONTH. It had momentum IMHO for it until THAT happened. And not helped by me not actually liking Friday's episode. However, it is a good tell of Jazmen not being a good fit with that breakdown writer. Which so far, I find those two are surprisingly 50/50 together for some reason.

Now that I finally got to sit down for a Y&R not connected to the Danny/Chris wedding...I actually liked LA in the role. I was surprised. He is giving Noah so far for me in spite of myself. Now when is Allie coming back?

Hehe. Lord... IKR!!! We haven't had a wild week like this in HousewivesLand since...mmmm...at least the Porsha/Simon-JenShahArrest-EricFakeDrama all in the same week.

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that camera angle for Gina's (not to mention the placement of the mirror for Christine for Nina's entrance) entrance was EVERYTHING!!! sits down to pay attention

Well we knew it was coming. Good it's not the whole week.

Hopefully Mama Joyce will show grace.