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I'm still here for Heather Rattray... (to connect this to GH...hell, let's bring her out of retirement to play Heather Webber, and just say she had a poisoned funny bone leading to a face transplant) I'm surprised they even bothered. A year and a half has passed. The historian comes through! I have to admit I am in the dark about most of Adela's history beyond the origins (that she was abused and then pushed down the stairs and died). What all did they change with her?

I've read about the scenes of Mike at the picnic, giving an angry drunk speech about Vietnam, but I had never seen any glimpse of them. You can still tell it's James Kiberd of course, with those cheekbones and that voice, but he does seem very different on Loving than just five years later at AMC. I think the most jarring was the 1984 clips Eric recently gave us where he looked extremely blonde.

When did they leave to start Texas? Anytime I try to watch this period it does seem lethargic, although I know the bad stuff is still on the way. Thanks for reminding me - a few from January or February 1980 had been on Youtube for years but I don't remember ever seeing the May 1980 episodes put up today. This opens with the craziest scene. I knew that Liza was in constant danger in the late '70s/early '80s but I never thought I'd see her in a full on choreographed fight sequence! Sherry goes all in. What a treasure she was. I don't think @amybrickwallace has posted here in a while but if they still do they might enjoy this.

Thanks for replying @EricMontreal22 as I wasn't sure anyone would want to read that wall of words. Curtis did have more to do pre-reboot, which is why some fans thought there'd be more of him this time around, but you're right he is not a central character. I don't remember the guest character to regular character disparity being so clear before the Amazon revival. If they miraculously get another year, I hope this can be worked out.

Not for several years. I wasn't sure if ATWT or GL hired him first - looking at IMDB (which, bewilderingly, only credits him at OLTL from 09-12), it was ATWT first. At the time I think he had an SPW interview which mentioned being out and he was grateful for the chance to come back. After his brief ATWT stint in 1999 he then got a bit more on there and a bit on GL before returning to OLTL in 2002. The story was confusing even for the time, which is saying a lot, but at least it was compelling, unlike others of that time like the trucking vendetta or Simon's parentage (I think I've had to ask you all on here about 3 times if he was actually Alex's brother or not). Michelle Forbes was so dynamic, a once-in-a-generation soap casting, on a show that needed new female blood. And Long didn't have long (no pun intended) to write for her before the lengthy strike kicked in. I can see why she wanted to do whatever she could with Forbes, even pairing her with Roger near the end when they knew she was leaving. In another life Forbes and Zaslow would have been one hell of a pairing for film or TV. I always think of Robert Newman talking with SOD in the late '90s about how he still had people asking him to explain the Sonni/Solita storyline.

They then kill him off in order to give Ben his money, which I thought was short-sighted, not that it mattered as we soon had Ben as an escort and a murderer via retconned sexual abuse (I will never forgive that storyline). I wish they'd considered it so Mitch wouldn't have been flogged again and again on OLTL. It seemed like they mainly gave him the job as a kindness as he had been all but blackballed after abruptly quitting AMC.

I think the number of revivals or near-revivals they had is a show of their success (and even though I wasn't a big fan, the primetime version probably would have stayed on longer if not for the Gulf War preemptions).

Some Italian OLTL footage - from 1984? I am just guessing. I'm not sure if we've seen the OLTL Italian credits before.

Two and a half hours of AMC here, dubbed into Italian. I'm not sure how wide a span of time it encompasses - 1983? 1984? 1985? We go from Tad/Liza to the aftermath of Alex Hunter's murder. Is any of this stuff that wasn't already around?

This must be some kind of catch-up show, maybe up to 93 or 94? I don't know. It's dubbed into Italian as you can hear the actors speaking in their English accents underneath during the interviews. The channel also has a "Ciao Week end" from 1991, with Susan Flannery, John McCook, Daniel McVicar, Jeff Trachta and KKL being interviewed (in English). Trachta sings. There are also comedy sketches or recreations of scenes (?). Is that the first Thorne at 19 minutes or just someone I don't know? The last video is a brief segment showing the people who dub B&B episodes into Italian. If this is already widely known and available, my apologies. Still, it might be a curio for you.

I have a lot of doubts about Hogg in any leadership role after some of his comments on social media, but we'll see. Media darling Marco handing another win to China and continuing Elon's vendetta against South Africa: https://www.yahoo.com/news/rubio-boycott-johannesburgs-g20-meeting-050421512.html

That was a very moving scene, especially considering what Rosalind Cash was going through.

This seemed to happen quite a bit with GL in the mid/late '80s.

Thanks for your help in getting some other vintage clips out there. The Kathie Lee clip is still on the NBC Today site for anyone who wants to see it - I am never sure how long these will stay up before they start to make the sites unavailable. https://www.today.com/video/klg-on-her-days-of-our-lives-debut-the-worst-acting-ever-552750147849

DS' black and white run does hold up well. I don't think the show suited color. Only in the last year do they finally begin dressing the ladies for color. I think most of them hold up, although we've not seen a great deal. I know Denise Alexander talked about how dated GH was in production (as mentioned on here by some fans), and you can see that is the case from what's available.

I'd say there was plenty of wonkiness on Dark Shadows. My all-time favorite would be when Kate Jackson was gagged, the gag clearly came untied, and she had to hold it in her mouth with her teeth as the sides were flapping away. It just didn't really matter because the cast and writing did enough to make you care and they also took a lot of chances, going all across time, had all kinds of horror content, etc. That wasn't the case with GL's last few years (some might say they had horror content, admittedly).

It does look like Eileen's side profile. I'd love to have heard her thoughts on that drawing.

I'd never seen that. I think the ATWT lady is Dee (matching my feelings for most of her storylines). I don't know why Nikki would be in the 4 Ls. Maybe that was Leslie?

In her Locher Room interview last year she said she mostly enjoys spending time with her grandchild. If the material is there, you never know, but that won't be happening on this show with the present regime. They did have good chemistry.

Some rare good news these days. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/long-island/long-lost-silent-film-thought-lost-forever-found-long-island/6136458/

I think he works well enough with his kids or in a support role. There are many others I would write out.

They could just say she's more in the fundraising/charity side. I don't know if Crystal would work long-term. There are some I'd love like Maureen Garrett or Maeve Kinkead, but they are retired and likely seen as too old by TPTB.

nm, already discussed

Of options, Newman is definitely much more likely. I don't even think Marx acts anymore. And Jeff would probably be part-time anyway so it might be easy for him to commute. The casting for the mother would be much more interesting. I'm not even sure where I'd start. I might say Crystal Chappell. I'm half-surprised that one didn't take. I hope Sam leaving might mean they won't write her out as well - maybe enough money was freed up to not have to do this again and again.

IIRC at the time Becky actually was fired, and they were going to leave Liz in a mental institution (?) if not for intense fan backlash. I think they genuinely believed all fans just saw her as a dirty whore who could be banished. Jacob was still something of a B-player, but the Greg years, and Guza and Geary's clear contempt for him, was the death of the character. I say that as someone who liked Greg the most of the Luckys.