Vanessa playing Joey seems unlikely from everything that went down. I only did think it was possible around the time Doug died, because I, at the time, didn't think Doug was dead. I assumed he had been tipped off by Randy and either he or Doug told Vanessa. Then, Vanessa had to keep up the act while Doug plotted revenge. However, as already mentioned as more time has gone on, it does seem less likely that Doug is plotting some comeback to bring down Joey.

Vanessa doesn't need to be tied to any comeback, in fact, if she is shocked by it, so much the better.

People didn't want to believe that Vanessa is who she actually is (I was willing to entertain the idea that Vanessa was not dumb enough to become a gangster's moll), but we all witnessed her make a cuckold of her husband and not regret one moment of it, so why would anyone believe she cared about helping the husband she never loved? If they do try to retcon Vanessa, it would only be because the writers have written her into a corner and are trying to rescue her from the bin. I say, leave her in the bin.

2 hours ago, MontyB said:

Doug is not dead.....

Hmmmmm.......

That was my theory from day 1 since we didn't see anything after Marcel was approaching Doug.. and we never really saw a body. I was assuming that Marcel was working with someone (maybe Vernon and/or Elon) to get the goods on Joey.

I have a feeling that Joey is looking like the savior, but I have a feeling he's due for a fall.

4 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Vanessa doesn't need to be tied to any comeback, in fact, if she is shocked by it, so much the better.

People didn't want to believe that Vanessa is who she actually is (I was willing to entertain the idea that Vanessa was not dumb enough to become a gangster's moll), but we all witnessed her make a cuckold of her husband and not regret one moment of it, so why would anyone believe she cared about helping the husband she never loved? If they do try to retcon Vanessa, it would only be because the writers have written her into a corner and are trying to rescue her from the bin. I say, leave her in the bin.

I think it would be interesting and fascinating to see Vanessa climb her way out of the bin and try to get back into everyone's good graces.

OMG, I loved today's episode. From the character development over the past 13 months, to the family drama with the McBride's, to Joey having Hayley's number, to Kat getting Naomi involved with the Hayley shenanigans and Kat and Donnell bonding. Because I care about the characters today's episode was that more thrilling.

49 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think it would be interesting and fascinating to see Vanessa climb her way out of the bin and try to get back into everyone's good graces.

That would be good soap. Doug confronting her ass at the cotillion and making it known to all of high society what trash she really is. Then Vanessa would have to claw her way back into the gates - might have to make good with Hayley and Leslie otherwise.

1 hour ago, GLATWT88 said:

That would be good soap. Doug confronting her ass at the cotillion and making it known to all of high society what trash she really is. Then Vanessa would have to claw her way back into the gates - might have to make good with Hayley and Leslie otherwise.

God I love this but I just have this sinking feeling the Cotillion will either be off screen or just as anticlimactic as Winter Fest and the clinic opening.