Did they have to compete with Hulu? Hulu was airing them.

Well, as they say hindsight is 20/20, but it appears that they were more interested in developing a method of distribution than they were in producing content.

1 hour ago, j swift said:

Well, as they say hindsight is 20/20, but it appears that they were more interested in developing a method of distribution than they were in producing content.

But Prospect Park produced content beyond AMC and OLTL, including Salem, which aired after the two soaps ended. Prospect Park produced Royal Pains for years. TOLN always never seemed to have much of a presence and faded quickly.

That said, the production was troubled. My husband and I had a dinner party in March 2013 that was attended by someone in the soap industry. He filled me in about the issues that were later revealed, including cast and crew not getting paid. He said morale was horribly low with the crew, who were being bussed to CT from NY. 

1 hour ago, robbwolff said:

But Prospect Park produced content beyond AMC and OLTL, including Salem, which aired after the two soaps ended. Prospect Park produced Royal Pains for years. TOLN always never seemed to have much of a presence and faded quickly.

That said, the production was troubled. My husband and I had a dinner party in March 2013 that was attended by someone in the soap industry. He filled me in about the issues that were later revealed, including cast and crew not getting paid. He said morale was horribly low with the crew, who were being bussed to CT from NY. 

As someone familiar with that commute and has done it a number of times, even to film locations, I can tell you that, after awhile, it gets old fast. I have also experienced wage theft once or twice in those situations, and it leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth.

4 hours ago, j swift said:

The TOLN issues are public and easy to understand. 

They were a bit ahead of their time.  They tried to produce and distribute content and they simply ran out of money.  Today a similar production would partner with a known streaming service in order to avoid those costs.  However, ten years ago there were fewer streaming services available, so they tried to create one on their own.  Unfortunately, the only content that they owned were AMC and OLTL, so they could not compete against Netflix and Hulu with their huge catalogue of movies and television shows.  As a result, they quickly ran through their startup investment, and went bankrupt by 2013.   

Similar to the losses that P&G faced after consumer lawsuits over faulty products crippled the company, the issue had nothing to do with the creativity or quality of the content.  It was just a lack of funding that killed those soaps. 

I know more than you think I do on this topic.

I was not interested in easily decipherable data points that can be found with a simple search. I was looking at, thinking aloud, really, regarding the aspect of accountability, which was more rhetorical, as I know perfectly well, it is something we'll never truly get.

30 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

As someone familiar with that commute and has done it a number of times, even to film locations, I can tell you that, after awhile, it gets old fast. I have also experienced wage theft once or twice in those situations, and it leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth.

 

I know what you mean. I’ve driven that route — the last time was last Sunday — and it was draining. I was so excited that both shows were coming back and then disillusioned when my friend filled us in on how troubled things were in the studio.

4 hours ago, robbwolff said:

I know what you mean. I’ve driven that route — the last time was last Sunday — and it was draining. I was so excited that both shows were coming back and then disillusioned when my friend filled us in on how troubled things were in the studio.

Even the Metro North is terrible, in some ways it's worse--such a slow moving train (that's if you're not on a train that gets derailed) that has only gotten worse with the passage of time mostly because of old tracks. There was a time when I had to take it 5, 6 days a week for a few months-- boy, was I ever miserable!

"TOLN" was always a grift. Everything would change on a dime about the supposed 'network,' its PR releases and often weird videos, its big moves, etc. and their public conduct was often really unprofessional and volatile. The entire venture was clearly the bluff/brainchild of some coked-up venture capitalists from the start. I was less surprised that it fell apart and far more surprised that the shows happened at all.

That being said, against all odds the shows themselves were IMO very good to excellent despite the shitshow BTS. It took a mix of veteran creatives and people outside the daytime bubble - however crazy they were - to shake up the medium. I just wish better hands had steered the larger project. I maintain that AMC 2.0 was the best soap of the 2010s.

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58 minutes ago, Vee said:

 I maintain that AMC 2.0 was the best soap of the 2010s.

Facts. Easily.

On 11/13/2021 at 12:17 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

Facts. Easily.

!!!!!

On 11/13/2021 at 11:18 AM, Vee said:

 I maintain that AMC 2.0 was the best soap of the 2010s.

!!!

On 11/12/2021 at 4:48 PM, Soaplovers said:

AMC had the least amount of time to get things going, and also had a head writer not familiar with the show (Marlene McPherson)...yet she managed to put a show together with strong threads  (JR/Cara/David, sex trafficking story, Dixie's slow forgiveness of Billy Clyde tuggle, and hints were dropped that Miranda would learn of her conception).

And viewership on Hulu was strong for the episodes I recall.

Yes, they stayed in the top 5 every week. AMC was almost always #1/2.

It's sad that they mostly got it right on screen with the PP reboots, but behind the scenes was an absolute nightmare. Soaps in the 00s have such bad luck! It would've been easier to let them go if the reboots sucked, but I became so invested in both. If only they had a smart investor with a plan, I imagine both would still be huge hits for Hulu and OWN.

48 minutes ago, Chris B said:

It's sad that they mostly got it right on screen with the PP reboots, but behind the scenes was an absolute nightmare. Soaps in the 00s have such bad luck! It would've been easier to let them go if the reboots sucked, but I became so invested in both. If only they had a smart investor with a plan, I imagine both would still be huge hits for Hulu and OWN.

I just think they rushed production. They only had weeks to put together a cast and a story. That's way too fast-paced for returning two soaps in a brand-new format.

2 hours ago, Liberty City said:

I just think they rushed production. They only had weeks to put together a cast and a story. That's way too fast-paced for returning two soaps in a brand-new format.

Agree.  To me, it seemed too much like Mickey and Judy putting on another show in old man McCutcheon's barn.  It was just dumb effing luck that the results didn't look amateurish on-screen.

They should have also only started with AMC first for at least a year before bringing back OLTL.

1 hour ago, Bright Eyes said:

They should have also only started with AMC first for at least a year before bringing back OLTL.

Agree! Even though OLTL was better the show by the time it left ABC. AMC had more of the name recognition. So, they should've just focused their time and attention on that. As well as bringing back characters tied to legacy whom we hadn't seen in years. As well as developing interesting new characters as well. 

On 12/6/2021 at 1:24 PM, Bright Eyes said:

They should have also only started with AMC first for at least a year before bringing back OLTL.

Yes Yes Yes!

On 12/6/2021 at 2:28 PM, Forever8 said:

Agree! Even though OLTL was better the show by the time it left ABC. AMC had more of the name recognition. So, they should've just focused their time and attention on that. As well as bringing back characters tied to legacy whom we hadn't seen in years. As well as developing interesting new characters as well. 

I don't necessarily agree with this. Lorraine Broderick came in, hit the ground running and was telling stories as if All My Children was not ending, and it felt fantastic. She was back where she belonged and was telling stories that could have had longevity past September 2021.