16 minutes ago, janea4old said:

Elaine May, Samuel L. Jackson, Liv Ullman, and Danny Glover received their honorary awards in a separate ceremony the day before. 

Here's a bit of Samuel L. Jackson receiving his honorary Oscar at the Governors Awards March 26
 

 

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'm not blaming Jada for what happened (and I haven't weighed in for either man, nor do I think Rock's joke was alright). I'm just commenting on what Will said after in his speech. I think the whole thing is simply a mess.

Oh, it was definitely a mess. I felt especially bad for Venus and Serena, it's the second time that they had to be caught up indirectly in someone else's baggage.

Just 6 days ago Jada posted on her Instagram about not caring what people thought about her bald head - while she may not have been amused by Rick’s joke, it definitely seems like this was bigger than that one joke.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CbawGKuuYMk/?utm_medium=copy_link

36 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Makes you wonder how Jada using their marriage as fodder for her talk show and publicly exposing their sex lives must really make him feel. That alone is enough to make most men feel like their masculinity is being ripped away. 

Exactly keept whatever business you can private. They've spoke alot publicly, especially Jada and resultantly people have had something to say.

IMO, Will's reaction as evidenced by his speech, was about the years of jokes not just Chris' comment. This begs the question, if you cant make mild jabs like this anymore, exactly what can you joke about?

6 hours ago, Vee said:

Apparently Bradley Cooper was the white dude hugging Will in the clip from the break (where he's with Denzel and Tyler Perry initially).

I saw a few people on Twitter saying that Bradley was also from Philly, or his mother was. I doubt that was a factor but it interested me. The "West Philly" tweets (and the tweets saying this was just like the season finale of Euphoria, which...oddly, it was) were funnier than any of the comedy I saw/heard about last night. That and the celebrities and politicians who were deleting their tweets ASAP.

4 hours ago, Vee said:

Poor Liza. I didn't know she was in that rough shape these days. She was even more discombobulated than I remember, I suspect not all there, and Gaga was very kind to her.

I don't know if Scorsese was there, but I imagine how he must feel seeing her like that - they were together for a time. Spielberg and other contemporaries who remember her heyday, too.

 

I wonder if Gaga was chosen for this role because of her support  of Tony Bennett. For all the stunts and attention-seeking, she does seem like a kind person at heart.

 

2 minutes ago, ironlion said:

Exactly keept whatever business you can private. They've spoke alot publicly, especially Jada and resultantly people have had something to say.

IMO, Will's reaction as evidenced by his speech, was about the years of jokes not just Chris' comment. This begs the question, if you cant make mild jabs like this anymore, exactly what can you joke about?

I had forgotten that Will supposedly has ties to $cientology until a few pointed it out. Considering some of the volatile behavior from Tom Cruise over the years, I wonder if this has any involvement. 

(speaking of that, while I know how meaningless the whole "say gay" thing is, the clip of Travolta not even being able to let himself applaud said platitude made me feel a bit sad)

Chris Rock has been making jokes about Jada for years, some of them very harsh, but I don't think Will would have gotten physical if not for all the "entanglement" material elsewhere (including from one of the show's hosts). It's been about 10+ years now since the weird stories about their kids started to put more of a negative spotlight on their marriage, and that has just gotten worse and worse due to the exploitation of August Alina and the car crash that is Red Table Talk. Will has slowly gone from a popular and relatively respected actor to a crying meme, a cuckold. At some point, that has to blow.

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On a side note, I wonder how the Nancy Grace of YouTube movie critics (Grace Randolph) feels about Jessica Chastain’s win given her public campaign against Chastain for years that’s gone viral at certain times.
 

 

 

It's not funny to make a joke about someone's disease.

And it wasn't funny when people were making fun of Katherine Hepburn.

 

Edited March 28, 20223 yr by reallyhateskateonlost

Grace Randolph is someone I do not understand the prevalence of. AFAIK the only reason she has any sway in certain corners of the Internet is because she's white and blonde. That's it.

I was amazed there were even more entanglement jokes last night after Laverne Cox tried it to the Smiths' faces on the red carpet at another event a couple weeks back, which I thought was incredibly tacky.

Edited March 28, 20223 yr by Vee

So.  This is what the Academy Awards has devolved into.  Black people slapping the [!@#$%^&*] out of each other.  For God's sake, it's the Oscars, people, not the Source Awards!

I'm not defending Chris Rock or his joke.  It was insensitive, it was tone-deaf and it was about 25 years too late.  (A "G.I. Jane" joke in 2022?  Really, Chris?).  But how Will Smith responded, regardless of the personal and private demons that drove him to that fateful moment, didn't just make himself look bad.  It made all Black men look bad.  You wanna defend your wife against a comedian's unfunny joke?  Fine.  Pull him aside when the cameras aren't on you and demand that he apologize to your wife.  Don't feed into racist white people's misperceptions of us as violent, out-of-control thugs who don't know how to behave in public.

The Will Smith slap seems like a classic example of impulses ruining the message. 

I've read a lot of support that Chris Rock shouldn't have made a joke about a medical condition.  Well, if Will had allowed the joke to bomb, today we would be talking about what a jerk Chris Rock is for making fun of women, rather than seeing that awful photo everywhere of a 53 year old Will slapping a 57 year old Chris.

More people on social media (including myself) could learn from this about how keeping your composure always wins.  As they say in West Side Story, "stay cooley cool."

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1 minute ago, j swift said:

I've read a lot of support that Chris Rock shouldn't have made a joke about a medical condition.  Well, if Will had allowed the joke to bomb, today we would be talking about what a jerk Chris Rock is for making fun of women, rather than seeing that awful photo everywhere of a 53 year old Will slapping a 57 year old Chris.

Exactly.  It was a bad joke - and an old joke! - told badly.  Just smile and mutter "That [!@#$%^&*]!" under your teeth and keep it moving, Will.

6 minutes ago, j swift said:

The Will Smith slap seems like a classic example of impulses ruining the message. 

I've read a lot of support that Chris Rock shouldn't have made a joke about a medical condition.  Well, if Will had allowed the joke to bomb, today we would be talking about what a jerk Chris Rock is for making fun of women, rather than seeing that awful photo everywhere of a 53 year old Will slapping a 57 year old Chris.

More people on social media (including myself) could learn from this about how keeping your composure always wins.  As they say in West Side Story, "stay cooley cool."

Chris Rock has been telling jokes like that for decades and keeps on trucking, so I think that's probably why Will knew there wouldn't be much response. 

(the odd part is Rock even made a documentary about black women and their hair, although I think that faced some controversy).

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

So.  This is what the Academy Awards has devolved into.  Black people slapping the [!@#$%^&*] out of each other.  For God's sake, it's the Oscars, people, not the Source Awards!

I'm not defending Chris Rock or his joke.  It was insensitive, it was tone-deaf and it was about 25 years too late.  (A "G.I. Jane" joke in 2022?  Really, Chris?).  But how Will Smith responded, regardless of the personal and private demons that drove him to that fateful moment, didn't just make himself look bad.  It made all Black men look bad.  You wanna defend your wife against a comedian's unfunny joke?  Fine.  Pull him aside when the cameras aren't on you and demand that he apologize to your wife.  Don't feed into racist white people's misperceptions of us as violent, out-of-control thugs who don't know how to behave in public.

Sad to say that's most of the discourse I've seen today. Never mind that if Mel Gibson had slapped the [!@#$%^&*] out of Chris Rock those same people would be cheering.

16 minutes ago, Khan said:

So.  This is what the Academy Awards has devolved into.  Black people slapping the [!@#$%^&*] out of each other.  For God's sake, it's the Oscars, people, not the Source Awards!

I'm not defending Chris Rock or his joke.  It was insensitive, it was tone-deaf and it was about 25 years too late.  (A "G.I. Jane" joke in 2022?  Really, Chris?).  But how Will Smith responded, regardless of the personal and private demons that drove him to that fateful moment, didn't just make himself look bad.  It made all Black men look bad.  You wanna defend your wife against a comedian's unfunny joke?  Fine.  Pull him aside when the cameras aren't on you and demand that he apologize to your wife.  Don't feed into racist white people's misperceptions of us as violent, out-of-control thugs who don't know how to behave in public.

Meet him outside on the curb or sidle up to him at the Vanity Fair party.

 

Honestly, I’m not sure Smith would have done that to a white male comedian either. Khan has a valid point about this feeding into crass stereotypes of black men.

2 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

Honestly, I’m not sure Smith would have done that to a white male comedian either. Khan has a valid point about this feeding into crass stereotypes of black men.

I don’t think he would have done it to Ricky Gervais.