Wow. I'm surprised and pleased by ABC's admirable resolve in the face of ratings (which, despite falling, were still pretty solid).

 

I hadn't had much time to reflect this morning on what Roseanne did beyond utter disgust. I got busy and turned away from the news, but all I had time to think was "how can I possibly continue to support this?" And obviously I wasn't the only one. It's clear most of the cast and crew were far more furious.

 

I feel awful for Sara Gilbert especially, for whom the revival was a personal and professional triumph. She and everyone else worked so hard and they took it from every side in the media while trying to manage Roseanne. I haven't finished the season (and I do intend to), but I was mostly pleased with what I saw. I thought there was a lot of good there. But now far more than ever before, Roseanne is her own worst enemy. I admit I thought she was getting better; I was wrong. She's probably alienated a lot of this cast - people who stuck by her for years through impossible behavior - for a good long time. I hope that gives her some pause. I'd like to think so. But she bought and paid for this.

 

It's a shame, but it was absolutely necessary.

The Valerie Harper and The Hogans analogy is not an accurate one, IMO.  

 

While Valerie Harper may have had a reputation for being difficult, she was never known for having racist tirades.  Her firing had to do with a salary dispute, not for spewing conspiracy theories and racist epithets.

Not comparable.

Edited May 29, 20187 yr by DramatistDreamer

Just now, DramatistDreamer said:

The Valerie Harper and The Hogans analogy is not an accurate one, IMO.  

 

While Valerie Harper may have had a reputation for being difficult, she was never know for having racist tirades.  Her firing had to do with a salary dispute, not for spewing conspiracy theories and racist epithets.

Not comparable.

It has nothing to do with what one said and the other didn't….it's that they were both fired….although only Valerie…..and the show moved on without her. I personally think the show could go on without Roseanne but with Roseanne having part ownership of the show as someone stated above then the show is done. 

The structural change is similar, yeah, but that's where it ends. Miller-Boyett simply sniped Valerie to turn her show into proto-Full House.

 

I don't know that any of them would do the show without her, even now. For one, Roseanne owns it and I can't see her giving it up. For another I imagine they're all probably just utterly done with this.

Just now, Soapsuds said:

1 minute ago, Vee said:

The structural change is similar, yeah, but that's where it ends. Miller-Boyett simply sniped Valerie to turn her show into proto-Full House.

 

I don't know that any of them would do the show without her, even now. For one, Roseanne owns it and I can't see her giving it up. For another I imagine they're all probably just utterly done with this.

 

This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love— one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member.

— sara gilbert (@THEsaragilbert) May 29, 2018

pic.twitter.com/rLKGEHvl4f

— Michael Fishman (@ReelMFishman) May 29, 2018

#Roseanne showrunner Bruce Helford: "I was personally horrified and saddened by the comments and in no way do they reflect the values of the people who worked so hard to make this the iconic show that it is.” https://t.co/YZRu0mG5qr pic.twitter.com/2rAfoiPXRj

— Lesley Goldberg (@Snoodit) May 29, 2018

The terrible part is all of the talented innocent people who worked on that show now suffer because of this. #notjustice

— shonda rhimes (@shondarhimes) May 29, 2018

But honestly she got what she deserved. As I tell my 4 year old, one makes a choice with one’s actions. Roseanne made a choice. A racist one. ABC made a choice. A human one.

— shonda rhimes (@shondarhimes) May 29, 2018

This is definitely an unfortunate situation. I feel bad for all of the cast and crew who lost their jobs over Roseanne's awful comments. It's a shame. I thought that the Reboot was really good and I will miss it. 

Even more networks dropping repeats

 

 

Unrelated; this is whistling past the graveyard now, but this is an anecdote Whitney Cummings had in THR some weeks back as part of a creative roundtable that I thought was interesting:

 

WHITNEY CUMMINGS A big part of my involvement [on Roseanne], because it stars a character and person who voted for Trump, is that I was the progressive lib-tard in the room, and I really wanted to dig into the hypocrisies and all the hot-button issues that we're all talking about. So, [the Conners] have a gun in the house, and the story was about how they can't find it, and I really wanted the 5-year-old kid to find it. She was gonna come out and be holding it, and it made everyone very uncomfortable, which is why I wanted to do it. I thought for a multicam, this could be incendiary and interesting and start a conversation and show the dangers inside the home of these kinds of choices. And the network — well, everyone was pretty freaked out about it. And I fought really hard, and it was a hill that I died on. We didn't end up shooting that, and then Parkland happened and I was like, I …

 

JUSTIN SIMIEN Should've done it.

 

CUMMINGS Should have done it? You think I should have done it?

 

AMY SHERMAN-PALLADINO Oh, I think you should've done it.

 

CUMMINGS I was like, "I'm sure they would've made us cut it later, anyway."

 

SIMIEN They would've.

 

PAMELA ADLON Absolutely.

46 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

I feel bad for the cast and crew who are now out of a job. I'm going to miss seeing the rest of the Connors on TV. 

Me too. I admit it.

Damn, even HULU is dropping the show from their streaming service

I think most of us who watched will. For me, there was a lot to enjoy. But there's not much to be done about it. I can't see the cast wanting to go back to that situation in any way right now, and I doubt Roseanne would allow it (I'm assuming she has a stake in the entire IP).

 

ETA: LOL - guess I'll catch the last few eps on Dailymotion! Prospect Park's backups lasted longer.

 

In amusing news, the alt right is now attempting to target Bill Maher on Twitter for firing as retaliation. My response, in one tweet (not mine):

 

 

oh no not bill maher *smirks* pic.twitter.com/w82d4JSfo0

— Sarah Lerner (@SarahLerner) May 29, 2018

 

Oh, OK, a few more:

 

 

Conservatives believing liberals worship Bill Maher is like when a well-meaning grandparent buys their grandchild a Nickelback record because they hear on CNN that it's what all the kids are listening to these days.

— Charlotte Clymer🏳️‍🌈 (@cmclymer) May 29, 2018

Getting Bill Maher fired would own the libs, please RT for awareness

— Robert Wheel LLC (@BobbyBigWheel) May 29, 2018

Ah., no please maga chuds, don't come for Bill Maher, the famous hero of the left. Don't take him from us.

— Luke O'Neil :/ (@lukeoneil47) May 29, 2018

No, don't fire Bill Maher. Anything but that. pic.twitter.com/gB285PLhmp

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) May 29, 2018

Edited May 29, 20187 yr by Vee

So now I can't even watch reruns!

This really bugs  me. As a viewer I should be able to make my own choice instead of it being taking away from me.

1 minute ago, reallyhateskateonlost said:

So now I can't even watch reruns!

This really bugs  me. As a viewer I should be able to make my own choice instead of it being taking away from me.

 

I guess be thankful for DVDs!!

4 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

 

I'd have to disagree there. The numbers were still phenomenal for 2018, and political discussion was only showcased for one single episode. 

 

Yes, they won for the timeslot but the number of viewers had fallen 50 percent

 

This is what the woman who canceled the show today had to say a while back: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/abc-roseanne-concentrate-family-politics-55180493

 

 

11 minutes ago, reallyhateskateonlost said:

So now I can't even watch reruns!

This really bugs  me. As a viewer I should be able to make my own choice instead of it being taking away from me.

 

Look no farther than YouTube.

Edited May 29, 20187 yr by marceline