33 minutes ago, ryanc said:

Nick is only bringing up Paprika for story purposes. Let's not pretend or act like their "romance" of one year is some epic love story that Y&R headwriters are going out of their way to pay homage to. Please.

SS is using Saggy and Adams death to bring Nick and Chelsea together because they both lost their spouse. It's a piss poor reason but it's clear that's why. 

Uh, everything is written fir story purpose LMAO

2 hours ago, RavenWhitney said:

Girl: don't get your panties in a knot.  Yes to all my criticisms.  I want to love the show and was excited about Sally/Kay return. Mal had a good first four months or so, but the production/lightening has gone down hill.  Sally's stories are thin and silly.  The Vickie/Reed scenes are straight out of James at 15 or some 80s after school special.  The Mariah/Hillary stuff is juvenile.  Peter Bergman has done so much lip biting with the thin and clunky Gloria material, I'm worried he's going to pop the silicon out of his lips.  Victor is sitting in the living room, being Grandpa Walton.  Mel phoned in her devastation at Dylan's departure.  Nick is doing nothing but running a club. He hasn't been interesting since he temporarily quit and came back after the plane crash (and that was brief).  Eileen Davidson should quit on the spot after being saddled with that no talent actor who played Stitch and now she's saddled with a recurring tech nerd, go nowhere story.  It's beyond the pale that they can't come up with a meaty story for her.  They're ruining Vickie's character (after she just had a hot affair with a stud, she's acting like June Cleaver on steroids now, makes  no sense).  What would have been more interesting is if Reed had played her, if she had given him a lot of latitude to be a hip teen, if she had encouraged his independence and dating and he ended up going overboard and doing stuff behind her back and risking the kids while playing the cool, hip son.  This stuff is just lame. I'm still watching in the hopes that something meaty kicks in but Sally needs to get on with it.

 

Panties in a knot? Uh...I think that would be you.

 

You make some good points, but every one of those is surrounded by 3 eye rollers. You enjoy being clever, though, so have at it.

2 hours ago, dragonflies said:

 

 

How long ago was that taken? I see Tamara Tunie (ATWT), I think I see Angell Conwell. I see Tonya Lee Williams. Hmm, interesting. I'm going to keep my thoughts about this to myself for now and just say, 'Gee, interesting photo'. 

 

It even looks as though they got Phil Morris in there. Boy, they really brought in several characters (and their portrayers)  from out of the margins.

 

I guess they didn't want to be accused of being #CBSSoWhite.

Edited February 9, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

3 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

 

Panties in a knot? Uh...I think that would be you.

 

You make some good points, but every one of those is surrounded by 3 eye rollers. You enjoy being clever, though, so have at it.

Oh?  ok don't get your jockstrap in a knot.  

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

How long ago was that taken? I see Tamara Tunie (ATWT), I think I see Angell Conwell. I see Tonya Lee Williams. Hmm, interesting. I'm going to keep my thoughts about this to myself for now and just say, 'Gee, interesting photo'. 

 

It even looks as though they got Phil Morris in there. Boy, they really brought in several characters (and their portrayers)  from out of the margins.

 

I guess they didn't want to be accused of being #CBSSoWhite.

I love this! Kimberlin Brown, Tricia Cast, Patty Weaver and a few others are there too!

Edited February 9, 20178 yr by YRfan23

I'm not enjoying the show right now either, but I'm willing to hang in there to see where things go. It's not that the show is slow as much as the canvas is just so *weak* and uninspired right now. There are far too many nothing characters and charisma-free, listless actors hogging airtime. This is a show that has had vibrant characters like Dru, Olivia, Mamie, HT's Victoria, AD's Diane, Jill, Katherine, Nikki, and Nina. They were played by captivating actors. I was excited to watch these characters, even if they weren't in brilliant, front burner stories. They were bold and indelible. I just liked spending time with them, seeing what they'd do or say next even in small scenes. Just watching Diane and Nikki spar was a thing of wonder. 

 

I'm just not excited by Nick, Sharon, AH's energy-free Victoria and her kids, Billy (who is being damaged with every recast), Cane, Lily, and Jack. I want to like Devon and Hillary, but they are a one-note snooze. Ashley and Ravi just feel like filler. I need Michael and Lauren to find some of their '80s/'90s ruthlessness again. I need GT's Phyllis to be sexier and more cutthroat. The less said about Chelsea, Chloe, Kevin, and Abby the better, but Sally doesn't seem that interested in them. Mariah could be a fun sarcastic, ballsy heroine, but she's being written like some beleaguered '90s working girl sitcom character.

 

I just don't care about the show or these characters right now. But this show has been so thoroughly gutted in the past decade that it would be near miraculous for Sally to salvage it. But who else could do it? She's our last shot.

Amen @Faulkner!  

 

The writing is dull with no stories and there are way too many uninspiring characters.

 

Jack & Hill in scenes together is pretty much the only thing I look forward to. 

57 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

I love this! Kimberlin Brown, Tricia Cast, Patty Weaver and a few others are there too!

If only they were asked back. 

8 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

If only they were asked back. 

 

Kimberlin should not be asked back. Present day writers need to create their own modern day "Sheila". 

11 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Kimberlin should not be asked back. Present day writers need to create their own modern day "Sheila". 

Agreed...she is too busy anyway celebrating Trump's win. I don't want her back.

32 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

@Faulkner

 

The writing is dull with no stories and there are way too many uninspiring characters.

 

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

I'm not enjoying the show right now either, but I'm willing to hang in there to see where things go. It's not that the show is slow as much as the canvas is just so *weak* and uninspired right now. There are far too many nothing characters and charisma-free, listless actors hogging airtime. This is a show that has had vibrant characters like Dru, Olivia, Mamie, HT's Victoria, AD's Diane, Jill, Katherine, Nikki, and Nina. They were played by captivating actors. I was excited to watch these characters, even if they weren't in brilliant, front burner stories. They were bold and indelible. I just liked spending time with them, seeing what they'd do or say next even in small scenes. Just watching Diane and Nikki spar was a thing of wonder. 

 

I'm just not excited by Nick, Sharon, AH's energy-free Victoria and her kids, Billy (who is being damaged with every recast), Cane, Lily, and Jack. I want to like Devon and Hillary, but they are a one-note snooze. Ashley and Ravi just feel like filler. I need Michael and Lauren to find some of their '80s/'90s ruthlessness again. I need GT's Phyllis to be sexier and more cutthroat. The less said about Chelsea, Chloe, Kevin, and Abby the better, but Sally doesn't seem that interested in them. Mariah could be a fun sarcastic, ballsy heroine, but she's being written like some beleaguered '90s working girl sitcom character.

 

I just don't care about the show or these characters right now. But this show has been so thoroughly gutted in the past decade that it would be near miraculous for Sally to salvage it. But who else could do it? She's our last shot.

The bold in red pretty much sums it up.

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

How long ago was that taken? I see Tamara Tunie (ATWT), I think I see Angell Conwell. I see Tonya Lee Williams. Hmm, interesting. I'm going to keep my thoughts about this to myself for now and just say, 'Gee, interesting photo'. 

 

It even looks as though they got Phil Morris in there. Boy, they really brought in several characters (and their portrayers)  from out of the margins.

 

I guess they didn't want to be accused of being #CBSSoWhite.

 

Jan 11, I do believe. 

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

I'm not enjoying the show right now either, but I'm willing to hang in there to see where things go. It's not that the show is slow as much as the canvas is just so *weak* and uninspired right now. There are far too many nothing characters and charisma-free, listless actors hogging airtime. This is a show that has had vibrant characters like Dru, Olivia, Mamie, HT's Victoria, AD's Diane, Jill, Katherine, Nikki, and Nina. They were played by captivating actors. I was excited to watch these characters, even if they weren't in brilliant, front burner stories. They were bold and indelible. I just liked spending time with them, seeing what they'd do or say next even in small scenes. Just watching Diane and Nikki spar was a thing of wonder. 

 

I'm just not excited by Nick, Sharon, AH's energy-free Victoria and her kids, Billy (who is being damaged with every recast), Cane, Lily, and Jack. I want to like Devon and Hillary, but they are a one-note snooze. Ashley and Ravi just feel like filler. I need Michael and Lauren to find some of their '80s/'90s ruthlessness again. I need GT's Phyllis to be sexier and more cutthroat. The less said about Chelsea, Chloe, Kevin, and Abby the better, but Sally doesn't seem that interested in them. Mariah could be a fun sarcastic, ballsy heroine, but she's being written like some beleaguered '90s working girl sitcom character.

 

I just don't care about the show or these characters right now. But this show has been so thoroughly gutted in the past decade that it would be near miraculous for Sally to salvage it. But who else could do it? She's our last shot.

 

I agree with a couple of your comments, but not most. I do understand where you're coming from, though.

What I do have a problem with is your overall tone, which casts a gloomy pall over the entire show. It feels like you're at a funeral, describing the last sad months of someone's life. I simply don't think that's a fair assessment, and I don't think it's a correct one.

9 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

 

I agree with a couple of your comments, but not most. I do understand where you're coming from, though.

What I do have a problem with is your overall tone, which casts a gloomy pall over the entire show. It feels like you're at a funeral, describing the last sad months of someone's life. I simply don't think that's a fair assessment, and I don't think it's a correct one.

So you are finding Nick, AH Victoria, Cane, Lily, Gloria and Jack exciting must see tv?

5 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

So you are finding Nick, AH Victoria, Cane, Lily, Gloria and Jack exciting must see tv?

 

So I either have to accept them as "exciting must see tv" or not??? Without explanation or nuance???

 

Forget it. I'm not answering biased questions that give you the answer you want. I know you pretty much hate everything on Y&R, and I'm not playing that game.

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

How long ago was that taken? I see Tamara Tunie (ATWT), I think I see Angell Conwell. I see Tonya Lee Williams. Hmm, interesting. I'm going to keep my thoughts about this to myself for now and just say, 'Gee, interesting photo'. 

 

It even looks as though they got Phil Morris in there. Boy, they really brought in several characters (and their portrayers)  from out of the margins.

 

I guess they didn't want to be accused of being #CBSSoWhite.

 

2 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

I love this! Kimberlin Brown, Tricia Cast, Patty Weaver and a few others are there too!

 

And Bob Barker!