This Stitch/Victoria stuff is some of the most boring, stupid [!@#$%^&*] I have ever seen. It's not just stupid, it's uninteresting. And Amelia Heinle is awful. I'm half-convinced Victoria is functionally retarded.

I couldn't quit figure out the dinner thing. Hhhmm...I think the writers are reaching to give them scenes together.

Neither Miller nor Muhney were good, but Miller was absolutely horrific! Yesterday, I was cringing as I watched Miller. This is the stellar crap peeps were salivating over on Twittere? This is what Daytime greatness has come down to? It sickens me!

Once this is over, I truly hope that the show gets the shot in the arm it desperately needs. I do, however, love the Nikki/Dylan/Ian stuff.

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I couldn't manage to watch the whole show (the sets, the lighting, the music, the acting are just horrific). But I did watch the confrontation scenes just out of curiosity to see MM's face after being fired (or whatever... I'm not too sure about the timing). I just can't help it but feel his acting is so damn pathetic. You can see how in the back of his mind he's just thinking how awesome and gripping his performance will come across. Yeah, dude. I can't wait for his last day.

Billy Miller was horrid...just horrid. All that fast talking and never finishing a sentence. Horrid! He should stick with comedy and ham-boning.

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Billy Miller was horrid...just horrid. All that fast talking and never finishing a sentence. Horrid! He should stick with comedy and ham-boning.

The faces he was making were supposed to be pain and anger, but he looked like he had to take a dump. He was absolutely awful! Ordinarily, I am indifferent to Miller, but yesterday had me counting the hours until he is gone!

I did watch the confrontation scenes just out of curiosity to see MM's face after being fired

I was thinking the exact same [!@#$%^&*] thing! I usually try to give actors credit in their last days on soaps - usually it's often their best work - but all I can think when watching Muhney in these big scenes is "this is his face when he found out he got fired."

I can't fault Billy Miller, I think he's done good work here, though not always. With Muhney it's impossible to separate the sleazeball onscreen from the alleged sleazeball off.

Edited January 28, 201412 yr by Vee

Someone said that Mishael Morgan said in SOD that Hilary wants Jack (I haven't read it). I assume she has been told this for character motivation.

No doubt she also has something with Devon too. That is obvious. He asked her out on a date. But she put him off. It's because she isn't that into him. She prefers someone else. What else would the reason be because none was given.

Do you see differences in her interactions with Jack and her interactions with Devon?

I did not know this about the SOD thing and I missed Devon asking her out for a date.

Re: Billy Miller comments in other posts - I thought he was better today but he has not been very good for the last few days. I think it would be easier if he was a parent. The way he walks is distracting to me, not in a good way.

Friday will be a brand new day, people!

Edited January 28, 201412 yr by bluejeanbaby3

I don't see TPTB going there with Jack and Hillary at all. Whoever that was who was talking to Hillary about having a crush on Jack, well that was just more crappy dialoque and/or he/she just misunderstood the fatherly affection/dedication to her job/employer that Hillary feels re: Jack. Was it Kyle? I totally didn't see anything weird when she was tying Jack's tie. Crap writing. She clearly has sparks in her eyes/chemistry when she is with Devon. Maybe Kyle needs to observe her with Devon.

I do't see any sparks between Hilary and Devon. There is no chemistry there. They need test to her with some other men. And tptb are definitely playing with the idea of Hilary and Jack because there was a tweet in my timeline from the Y&R account asking who people preferred Hilary with Jack or Devon.

Edited January 28, 201412 yr by chicklitsandfantasies

I do not care about Hillary (Hilary?)/Devon, and I'm frankly not convinced Y&R does either. I like her with Jack and Mitt Romney Kyle, who's now gone.

Time to recast Victoria

Come down Sarah Joy Brown. Time to make Y&R your 5th daytime soap & Victoria Newman your 6th daytime role.

Edited January 28, 201412 yr by John

I have to agree with ChitHappens, it is basic soap writing 101 that Jack is a temporary infatuation (even if temporary means a few months). It's not always the case that pairs are obvious from Day 1. Many times, it is more interesting (to me anyway) if the pairing are NOT obvious in the beginning. My main problem with Y&R of the last few year is that the pairings were too obvious and 'on the nose' and had no intrigue about who would end up with whom.

I know many have probably not seen much of ATWT but a few of us were discussing this in the Cancelled Soap threads, about a couple like Lyla and Casey, who were a surprising, yet wildly popular pairing. In the beginning it looked as if Casey would be paired up with Frannie (played by Julianne Moore) but in the end he ended up with his landlady Lyla Montgomery.

One of the things that I find brilliant about that coupling was that no one knows whether it was intentional all along or whether the head writer saw the chemistry and later switched course but the transition was so seamless because the writing suggested that romance was blossoming in one direction but seeds were surreptitiously being planted in another direction. While everyone was paying attention to Casey and Frannie (who had the classic opposites attract chemistry) Lyla and Casey had slowly been building a friendship and mild flirtation which bloomed into a full on love affair. It was a slow build and that way it was written was great because it took everyone by surprise (family, friends, etc).

To me, it would be far more interesting if there was a gradual build to a Hillary and Devon romance but I wonder if today's viewers have the attention span for that. I also wonder if the writers have the talent to pull off such a story without boring us to indifference.

So I decided to watch Y&R this week to see MM and BM's exit after a taking a break, damn is this show still awful. Only positive thing I can say is that I did like Chloe and Chelsea scenes at the end of today's episode. Rest....blah. Can we PLEASE get a Victoria recast (since it's slim to non chances of Heather Tom returning to the role)?

Do you see differences in her interactions with Jack and her interactions with Devon?

I did not know this about the SOD thing and I missed Devon asking her out for a date.

Re: Billy Miller comments in other posts - I thought he was better today but he has not been very good for the last few days. I think it would be easier if he was a parent. The way he walks is distracting to me, not in a good way.

Friday will be a brand new day, people!

I actually see more with her and Devon. She seems different with him than with anyone else on screen. The chemistry is different. I can't put my finger on it exactly what it is. It could just be the things they discuss more so than anything. She seems very mature even when they are joking and playful. There is nothing giggly or silly about them (side eye at Chelsea and Lily). Devon is definitely at his best with her. They are just great together.

The reason I think she has a crush on Jack is because of her actions, not so much the chemistry. She has the same chemistry with him that she has with everyone, including Sharon and Kyle. It's just that the writing has her doing things that point to her having romantic feelings. Like constantly worrying and asking about him, sexual innuendo in the conversation, etc.

Devon asked her out weeks ago. She told him she would let him know. Weird.

I do't see any sparks between Hilary and Devon. There is no chemistry there. They need test to her with some other men. And tptb are definitely playing with the idea of Hilary and Jack because there was a tweet in my timeline from the Y&R account asking who people preferred Hilary with Jack or Devon.

Yep...Y&R is playing it up as a triangle. They have been for weeks now.

I do not care about Hillary (Hilary?)/Devon, and I'm frankly not convinced Y&R does either. I like her with Jack and Mitt Romney Kyle, who's now gone.

I also love Hilary and jack. They have great father/daughter chemistry, but nothing romantic.

I have to agree with ChitHappens, it is basic soap writing 101 that Jack is a temporary infatuation (even if temporary means a few months). It's not always the case that pairs are obvious from Day 1. Many times, it is more interesting (to me anyway) if the pairing are NOT obvious in the beginning. My main problem with Y&R of the last few year is that the pairings were too obvious and 'on the nose' and had no intrigue about who would end up with whom.

I know many have probably not seen much of ATWT but a few of us were discussing this in the Cancelled Soap threads, about a couple like Lyla and Casey, who were a surprising, yet wildly popular pairing. In the beginning it looked as if Casey would be paired up with Frannie (played by Julianne Moore) but in the end he ended up with his landlady Lyla Montgomery.

One of the things that I find brilliant about that coupling was that no one knows whether it was intentional all along or whether the head writer saw the chemistry and later switched course but the transition was so seamless because the writing suggested that romance was blossoming in one direction but seeds were surreptitiously being planted in another direction. While everyone was paying attention to Casey and Frannie (who had the classic opposites attract chemistry) Lyla and Casey had slowly been building a friendship and mild flirtation which bloomed into a full on love affair. It was a slow build and that way it was written was great because it took everyone by surprise (family, friends, etc).

To me, it would be far more interesting if there was a gradual build to a Hillary and Devon romance but I wonder if today's viewers have the attention span for that. I also wonder if the writers have the talent to pull off such a story without boring us to indifference.

I think both talent and attention span are lacking. I haven't been surprised by a romance in 20 years. It seems that I can always tell who they are angling for...writing is typically unbalanced just enough.

Amelia Heinle is not going anywhere as she just renewed her contract and is celebrating 9 years at Y&R. She is going into year 10 as Victoria thats a great run. Heather Tom is at B&B get over it. No to Sarah Brown a Victoria shes way too harsh plus I haven't sen anything impressive abou Brown since her early Carly days. She was a one hit wonder. Her other roles I don't if it was the writing or the chemistry but she just didn't do it. Billy Miller will be a mega primetime superstar mark my words. He has nothing to worry about. He had a five and half year run with two emmys and might earn a third emmy in the role. David Tom has alot to prove its been 12 years since he played Billy plus the kid has ZERO SEX APPEAL at all. I thought he absolutely stunk on OLTL so I hope he brings it on Y&R. Give Jean Passanante credit as she revved up this finale the best way she could. Again Y&Rs ratings dont match the creative disses.

I couldn't quit figure out the dinner thing. Hhhmm...I think the writers are reaching to give them scenes together.

Yeah it was pretty obvious it was an excuse to give them some alone flirty time together. Stitch will be the backup plan if DT and AH don't mesh well as Villy.