the one piece of advice I have for PP

It seems odd--I thought the general consensus was PP's OLTL had some major issues but was pretty good--andnow suddenly everyone's acting like it was the worst the show ever had been.

I think part of it is self-protection by battered soap fans. Part of it is a truthful acknowledgement by some people that they didn't like the product PP created, whatever the reason and sadly, a small part of it is some people who just truly want these shows to fail for any number of reasons: resistance to change, resentment at PP for the ABC/GH stuff, fanbase madness, etc...

It's the age old choice: you can either be right or happy. If this all falls apart and AMC doesn't come back, I may have been "wrong" for believing in them but for a couple of months I got to be a blissfully happy soap fan again.

Edited September 4, 201312 yr by marceline

Wow. It's sad to say.. but the decline of the PP soaps continue. This makes me really sad and my heart goes out to you OLTL fans. I am going to sound like a real Debbie downer here.. but I honestly believe soaps (as we know and love them.. aka: daily serialized drama) is coming to an end. I've believed this for a long time. yes... "soap opera" shows will always be around because shows with a "soapy" element will always be appealing (ex: Greys Anatomy, Revenge, Scandal, etc) but our DAILY daytime drama/soap operas we know them truly is a dying genre. Once the PP soaps went to 2xweek I automatically put them in a different category.. twice a week shows that have "seasons" with on/off seasons.. to me, that's not a soap opera.. its a telenovela. not the same thing. I'm not opposed to our shows surviving that way, if that's the "way of the future" for them to make it.. just saying its not the same as the remaining broadcast soaps producing five shows/week. I honestly think its best and most respectful for the soaps to die(if they are dying) a dignified death on their respective networks.. I mean lets look at history here.. AW, GL, ATWT.. I know people have differing opinions on their finales... but regardless, they were allowed to die dignified (somewhat) deaths on their network with a proper finale. Look at the other option.... Passions goes to DirecTV and gets episode orders reduced and putters out nearly a year later. Granted, they did have a proper finale as well.. but wouldn't it have been better for them to have had it on NBC the year earlier? Now we have OLTL who has one "season" on PP and is again ending without a real finale I believe.. what if it could have just had a proper finale on ABC? And then AMC.. maybe it's coming back/maybe not? will it be successful long term? Probably not.. Again, with all those cast returns at the end... it could have had an amazing proper series finale on ABC. I of course don't want our soaps to die.. but if they are dying.. I want them to die respectfully and with dignity. I respect them for trying to find any and all other options and venues to survive (via DirecTv, Cable, Internet, etc) but I think seeing them putter out like this is painful and in a way degrades their memory. It would be much more dignified for them to just have a proper finale on their network with an amazing beautiful sendoff. End of rant

A couple of soaps are up in viewers over last year, B&B in particular. If the genre were truly dying, we'd continue to see plummeting ratings on all the remaining soaps, which isn't the case. DAYS and GH are a mixed bag (ratings-wise), and Y&R is going through a difficult transition, but there's still a passionate fan base for soaps. It's the suits and production companies who are making the idiotic decisions that drive viewers away.

If it makes any difference I posted the OLTL OWN ratings for last week and they are up! They are in the Summer run on OWN thread.

If it makes any difference I posted the OLTL OWN ratings for last week and they are up! They are in the Summer run on OWN thread.

I think OLTL was rocky and uneven, particularly due to the BTS issues, but still a damn good start for a show that got off the ground practically overnight. It had no right to look and be as good as it was on that turnaround with all those kinds of logistics. It did things right that I haven't seen OLTL do right in a long, long time, so I don't think it was (or is) a failure by any means.

I think OLTL was rocky and uneven, particularly due to the BTS issues, but still a damn good start for a show that got off the ground practically overnight. It had no right to look and be as good as it was on that turnaround with all those kinds of logistics. It did things right that I haven't seen OLTL do right in a long, long time, so I don't think it was (or is) a failure by any means.

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I don't think the lawsuit was PP doing as much as it is Jen Peppermen's. They didn't get upset with GH mentioning Stuart, Pine Valley, and Corinth. Also, they are still using Corinth on GH yet it is Agnes Nixon's property. Ginger Smith has every right to be just as upset for them mentioning Stuart.

Uh, Jennifer Pepperman is a hire for PP. She has absolutely no authority to launch a lawsuit. Do you really believe an individual staffer launched a company wide lawsuit? Do you have any idea how business works?

Edited September 4, 201312 yr by Vee

Poor old Robin....

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   I'm HANGING my PORTRAIT of #DORIANLORD on my library wall. She's up she's down she's up again! Just like me (lol) I better "hang in there":)

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   http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/one-life-to-live/ … DEAR FAIRMAN, get a Thesauraus? SHELVED isn't a hopeful word. POSTPONED don't make me perky-but it's an improvement:)
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   Don't call #RobinsHotline I'm so downed by this news-can't deliver upbeat glass half full-another door opens speech! I'm rooting #PP to WIN!

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   http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77251133/ … This is NOT good news! NOT! I'm a Drama Queen & this is NOT a script I wanted. The fight continues..yet I ask: what??

Uh, Jennifer Pepperman is a hire for PP. She has absolutely no authority to launch a lawsuit. Do you really believe an individual staffer launched a company wide lawsuit? Do you have any idea how business works?

Exactly--and besides which, the AMC/Loving mentions on GH didn't include killing a character, or revealing one character was someone else.

I don't think the lawsuit was PP doing as much as it is Jen Peppermen's. They didn't get upset with GH mentioning Stuart, Pine Valley, and Corinth. Also, they are still using Corinth on GH yet it is Agnes Nixon's property. Ginger Smith has every right to be just as upset for them mentioning Stuart.

LOVING is an ABC owned Soap. Agnes never owned it. Just created, Wrote it for ABC. She sold OLTL & AMC to ABC in 1973 0r 75.

Since PP didnt lease LOVING, ABC can use it freely as it wishes

Uh, Jennifer Pepperman is a hire for PP. She has absolutely no authority to launch a lawsuit. Do you really believe an individual staffer launched a company wide lawsuit? Do you have any idea how business works?

That isn't what I meant. I think Jennifer Pepperman may have provoked the lawsuit by telling PP that ABCD misused the agreement, which was causing issues for developing OLTL 2.0. I doubt PP had someone watching GH every second and making sure they were doing what they were supposed to do so maybe PP didn't know until Someone, such as Jennifer Pepperman, brought it to there attention.

That isn't what I meant. I think Jennifer Pepperman may have provoked the lawsuit by telling PP that ABCD misused the agreement, which was causing issues for developing OLTL 2.0. I doubt PP had someone watching GH every second and making sure they were doing what they were supposed to do so maybe PP didn't know until Someone, such as Jennifer Pepperman, brought it to there attention.

Well good if she did, she is doing her job and that is looking out for oltl

Edited September 4, 201312 yr by John

That isn't what I meant. I think Jennifer Pepperman may have provoked the lawsuit by telling PP that ABCD misused the agreement, which was causing issues for developing OLTL 2.0. I doubt PP had someone watching GH every second and making sure they were doing what they were supposed to do so maybe PP didn't know until Someone, such as Jennifer Pepperman, brought it to there attention.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

Can you stop insulting me??? Either say something nice or don't comment!