In that case, they should have done less episodes from the jump, the four day a week to start with was too much. A limited initial run just to test out scheduling should have been what they started with, I'm sure they could have done that and remained with in the terms of the contract.

Hindsight's 20/20. They tried to stick as closely as possible to the original soap opera model. That turned out to be a bad idea. I'm still very interested in the assertion now that four days a week for both shows was forcing people to choose between the two. Did the change correct that issue? I could how the staggered schedule of AMC on Mon/Wed and OLTL on Tues/Thur might help with that problem but releasing all eps on Monday? How did that help?

Ugh started a new job today with super blocked Internet and I come home to this. I doubt I have any super original thoughts so I'll just mostly cosign everything Vee said on the prior page as I haven't paged back through the thread yet. In December, I refused to be remotely hopeful about this reboot until I saw it with my eyes. Well I did see it and it wasn't perfect but I enjoyed the hell out of it and am super grateful got what we got.

As much as PP's press release have been annoying and wordy, they should release one now. It was low to leak it and have no comment. (I'm pretty sure that's the case- I have probably 4000 tweets to get through until I work my way back to when this broke).

As for AMC, I hope being the sole focus strengthens them, I really do. I've always thought PP needed to roll the shows out separately and rotate them even though I loved those first few weeks of 4 eps of both. I have logged the exact same tenure with both shows with the exception of my very first soap viewing day which was just OLTL. I've loved and love AMC with varying degrees of intensity over the years and I'm happy it looks like it will continue. Rationally, I can admit it had the better season and is the more logical choice to focus on for a myriad of reasons. But out of the ABC lineup, OLTL was always my show and the "shelving" does burn more for me than if it was the other way around. That said, I'm happy for everyone whose #1 soap love is AMC & I plan to support the hell out of AMC S2.

Edited September 4, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

The bottom line is the original plan for crossovers with GH was a good idea for the new show. I know that's anathema to some people and that battle lines were drawn long ago, but the fact is these start-up shows could've used those eyes and so could GH. It would've drawn the crossover audience for both shows, and I think if both OLTL and GH had been able to exercise appropriate control of their characters and storylines it could've been very harmonious and very, very good for both of them.

It's entirely possible they want to revisit that, because the fact is this suit was never going to go to court. One way or another it will settle. The question is when and how and what might result from it. Certainly I think a crossover relaunch could do well for the show. I think Frank Valentini is always willing to make a deal, whether or not Ron is being petty. For Valentini, in the end everything is business and I suspect little is personal, including and especially if he's lying to an actor's face. And that may not always be nice, but it gets the job done.

Pepperman obviously felt that the loss of the characters crippled them--and the way the show played out, it seems more than likely they had storylines there (ie more with Todd and Blair--and I guess Starr and particularly John) that they just had to drop. This very well could be part of the reason that actual plot wise the show often felt very lacking (Hell, to jump into hyperbole maybe it caused SBH to jump ship out of frustration of what was written.) I don't really care for any of those characters to be seen on my screen again any time soon, but that's neither here nor there.

I agree withyour view of FV over RC--which is why one is on twitter and not the other. As yous ay that doesn't mean Frank is a nice guy necessarily--I'm sure he's more than happy to let RC take the falls, but...

That's shitty, Jared found out from the news "release"

1. Jared Kaplan ‏@JaredKaplan 5h

   People tweeting me re: Season 2. I honestly don't know anything more than you. I'm waiting to hear definitive news just like everyone else.

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2. BrookeAChandler ‏@BrookeAChandler 5h

   @JaredKaplan Were you informed of the 'shelving' or did you find out from the news release? Hope cast/crew/production were told first

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3. Jared Kaplan ‏@JaredKaplan 3h

   @BrookeAChandler From the news release this morning.

Exactly. It's quite sad, really. For them to be such breakout stars on HuLu which offers a sea of viewing options for one, and yet they just can't get the backing.

The thing is old school industries are slow to catch on to things like this. They probably wanted to wait at least a full year to see if they still played big on Hulu before jumping on the wagon.

Damn and I thought OLTL was the better show minus the whole internet [!@#$%^&*].....I might just cancel my subscription with Hulu plus after I see the last episodes of OLTL...I dont see AMC lasting as well

I Think both will be back and that PP will have AMC film its entire season 2 and then have OLTKL do the same. That way they concentrate on one at a time. When will they air? I bet we dont see them til January 2014

Edited September 3, 201312 yr by John

Pepperman obviously felt that the loss of the characters crippled them--and the way the show played out, it seems more than likely they had storylines there (ie more with Todd and Blair--and I guess Starr and particularly John) that they just had to drop. This very well could be part of the reason that actual plot wise the show often felt very lacking (Hell, to jump into hyperbole maybe it caused SBH to jump ship out of frustration of what was written.) I don't really care for any of those characters to be seen on my screen again any time soon, but that's neither here nor there.

Its funny- I always felt like she pushed that angle because it was company line and helpful to the lawsuit to hold fast to that position-- because at the same time seemed happy as hell with her A team, Clint, David. Jwoww etc.. Maybe I just couldn't fathom the lack of Starr & John being such an impediment because of my personal tastes. But perhaps, it really did hinder them at the outset.

I just realize I now have to bug Itunes to prorate me on the Multi-pass. Ugh that should be fun.

The PP stuff aside, I'd love to know what Hulu thinks of the shows' performance. Hulu has launched a lot of original programming over the last year or two: Battleground, East Los High (dramas), The Awesomes and Quick Draw (comedies) and A Day in the Life, Larry King Now, The Morning After and Spoilers with Kevin Smith (documentary/talk/news).

From what I've seen in the Hulu rankings, The Awesomes, Quick Draw, East Los High and The Morning After have consistently done well and AMC ranked alongside them with OLTL following closely behind. I'd love to see real hard viewership data.

Where's Angela? I need her to work her number crunching magic.

I Think both will be back and that PP will have AMC film its entire season 2 and then have OLTKL do the same. That way they concentrate on one at a time. When will they air? I bet we dont see them til January 2014

John, I really admire your optimism with these shows but sadly I just don't think this is true at this point. Not saying OLTL will never be back- it may be. But if the plan was to have them each film a second season for 2014, why not just say that? Hope I'm wrong.

Edited September 4, 201312 yr by greens_dupres

wow..

Tonja Walker ‏@Tonjawalker42s

"@SaveOurSuds: @lookinatstories I agree. I disappointed. I wanted to see Alex again." You never know what can happen. No one owns Alex now.

Its funny- I always felt like she pushed that angle because it was company line and helpful to the lawsuit to hold fast to that position-- because at the same time seemed happy as hell with her A team, Clint, David. Jwoww etc.. Maybe I just couldn't fathom the lack of Starr & John being such an impediment because of my personal tastes. But perhaps, it really did hinder them at the outset.

I just realize I now have to bug Itunes to prorate me on the Multi-pass. Ugh that should be fun.

No hindrance as PP had control of the characters. Too bad their time was wasted bargaining with GH over the "actors".

They had Todd the entire time. John and Starr are easy recasts, especially if you are going for talent! If 2 or 3 characters [or lack thereof] hindered a project this badly, you had a very poor product in which to begin.

wow..

Tonja Walker ‏@Tonjawalker42s

"@SaveOurSuds: @lookinatstories I agree. I disappointed. I wanted to see Alex again." You never know what can happen. No one owns Alex now.

As I tweeted to Tonja

Actually since @prospectpk got into production by Feb 2013 they have the characters for both shows for 10 years

Rob Gorrie ‏@Rob_Gorrie 3m This experience has been a lesson in appreciation. Thanks to all the fans for your support through our ups and downs. Keep the faith. #OLTL

That awkward moment with the EP doesn't seem phased...

Jen Pepperman ‏@JenPepperman 14m

My husband just declared the living room a "no twerking"zone.