If someone watched Conboy's Santa Barbara, the MAC thing was even more annoying as they also did a variation of that story with John Callahan, John O'Hurley and others. So it wasn't as if they were just copying GL's Lake Elizabeth. Also another thing that was ridiculous is how it mucked up some history parts, like how could Josh be engaged to Harley and know her father was alive and not tell her. How could Billy marry Nadine knowing she was a bigamist (that said he was drunk, but come on…) Also the guys were all different ages, and now all peers. Ed had been married more than once by 1977 and dad to both Freddie and Christina, Alan only came to Springfield at the end of 1977, but he was Phillip's Dad and a grown man. Billy due to Melinda's age would have been an adult too. The only one who could have been teen-early 20s in 1977 was Joshua as he went to Berkeley before moving to Springfield. To note, the first Lewis in Springfield was Trish, and she was tied into the story as Andy's former wife - both Josh and Trish came to town in 1981. The interview the actors did when it was going on was the best part of it as it was completely entertaining.

For me the Ridge is a Marone story was a big rewrite on B&B I loathed. Having him not be Eric's son just made it possible for Ridge to date Bridget, and Rick/Bridget to date Ridge's children.

Oh, I totally forgot about that interview! Anyone have it? I'd love to read it again. I remember reading it and seeing that Peter Simon was kind of just there, like he had no idea what the hell he was supposed to say about the storyline, because he knew it was sh*t.

Stuart Blackburn, who was so desperate to push his favorite couple (who have, literally, zero fans - I have never seen one) that he had the woman's husband, an upstanding vicar, begin physically and verbally abusing his bedridden father so that viewers would hate him.

The Ashley/Marlon/Laurel story is dreadful and character assassination IMO. Laurel and Marlon can stop drop dead and I wouldn't even care.

But wouldn't Ross, Vanessa, and their carnival baby, Dinah, be a retcon?

Dinah was a retcon as the reason given for Vanessa and Ross breaking up before we knew them had nothing to do with a kid.

I wouldnt call either of those retcons. The AMC story didnt have another character as the killer. The retcon was making Stuart alive, not making Adam responsible

Felicia was a great mother when her kids were young but she started to become an awful one in the late 90s when Maxie was a preteen and Georgie was still. We saw her morph into this selfish woman who craved adventure and was bored by the normal lifestyle of being a wife and mother. Its not like they just had people going around saying she was a bad one without showing us how she became one. She became a deadbeat when she flatout walked away from them and didnt step back in town except to attend the funeral of one and now years later. And that was just an extension of her earlier characterization

None of that "deadbeat mother" bullshit occurred on my TV screen, so, it most certainly was a retcon and rewrite that showkiller Guza pulled out of his ass. Same goes for having Adam kill his beloved twin brother, which was the opposite of everything that I've ever seen of his character portrayed on screen (even at his worst).

None of that "deadbeat mother" bullshit occurred on my TV screen, so, it most certainly was a retcon and rewrite that showkiller Guza pulled out of his ass. Same goes for having Adam kill his beloved twin brother, which was the opposite of everything that I've ever seen of his character portrayed on screen (even at his worst).

You mustn't have been watching the years when Felicia picked up and abandoned her daughters and Maxie getting pissed off at her about it when it occurred.

Adam didn't kill Stuart in cold blood. I guess you also missed the episodes where he was drugged up medication that Nurse Grace was slipping him via David. That was a key plot point to the story. There was no retcons there as well

I subscribe to the same theory, JP. I, too, think most, if not all, of the murders were intended to be real until someone -- Ken Corday, NBC, Sony -- flipped their [!@#$%^&*] and JER had to change the story. And I say that, because I don't believe JER ever really respected DAYS. He just looked at the show as his chance (next to PASSIONS) to play God as HW.

I don't disagree but I think it is interesting that this is touted as a negative thing. Reilly absolutely had utter disdain for the actors and the fans, but I don't see him as all too dissimilar from Irna Phillips, and yet that attitude is generally touted as a positive thing for her.

You mustn't have been watching the years when Felicia picked up and abandoned her daughters and Maxie getting pissed off at her about it when it occurred.

Adam didn't kill Stuart in cold blood. I guess you also missed the episodes where he was drugged up medication that Nurse Grace was slipping him via David. That was a key plot point to the story. There was no retcons there as well

I watched on and off around that period and I still don't - nor will I ever - buy whatever showkiller Guza was trying to sell me - not after Labine actively portrayed her as a devoted mother to her two daughters.

Same goes for whatever half-ass justification they came up with for having Adam kill his own brother - justification that wouldn't have been used if that shitty rewrite hadn't aired in the first place.

Yep. Lauren used to be the aggressor, especially on B&B. Sheila, I wouldn't say was scared, but definetly seemed a bit intimidated that Lauren would be on the edge of taking her down, especially when she tried to rebuild her life in LA. Lauren in recent years is ready to have a breakdown at the mere mention of the name Sheila as they write her as being unhinged and not as confident as she was in the 90s when dealing with her

I wasn't watching B&B in the 90s and all I've always wondered how they managed to keep Sheila around (and out of jail) for as long as they did after the crimes she committed in GC?

I wasn't watching B&B in the 90s and all I've always wondered how they managed to keep Sheila around (and out of jail) for as long as they did after the crimes she committed in GC?

The first few years she was on B&B, no one knew about her crimes. Lauren learned of Sheila's life in LA, but kept quiet first because of Sheila blackmailing her over and affair with Brad (which would have cost her custody of her son with Scott), and then a promise to a dying Scott. Sheila's first therapist died in an ambiguous way. Her second, James Warwick, was kept locked up when she realized he was wooing her to shop her to the cops.

In spring 1995, all the lies finally came out, and she was arrested after holding the Forresters hostage. By the end of the year she'd been released from a mental institution after they decided she'd paid for her mistakes, and after she'd been raped by an inmate.

I watched on and off around that period and I still don't - nor will I ever - buy whatever showkiller Guza was trying to sell me - not after Labine actively portrayed her as a devoted mother to her two daughters.

Same goes for whatever half-ass justification they came up with for having Adam kill his own brother - justification that wouldn't have been used if that shitty rewrite hadn't aired in the first place.

You can choose to ignore it if you don't like it, but it doesn't make it any less canon

The first few years she was on B&B, no one knew about her crimes. Lauren learned of Sheila's life in LA, but kept quiet first because of Sheila blackmailing her over and affair with Brad (which would have cost her custody of her son with Scott), and then a promise to a dying Scott. Sheila's first therapist died in an ambiguous way. Her second, James Warwick, was kept locked up when she realized he was wooing her to shop her to the cops.

In spring 1995, all the lies finally came out, and she was arrested after holding the Forresters hostage. By the end of the year she'd been released from a mental institution after they decided she'd paid for her mistakes, and after she'd been raped by an inmate.

See, it amazes me that the same HW who wrote amazing stuff like that in the 90s and early 00s is now force-feeding us the Hope/Liam/Steffy dreck, shameless PSA stories and barf-inducing characters like Caroline. WTF happened?

See, it amazes me that the same HW who wrote amazing stuff like that in the 90s and early 00s is now force-feeding us the Hope/Liam/Steffy dreck, shameless PSA stories and barf-inducing characters like Caroline. WTF happened?

I'd say Bill Bell still had some impact on him at that time. And a lot of that wasn't all that well written (especially Scott's mystery illness and sudden death to keep Lauren quiet), but worked because of the momentum already built up.

See, it amazes me that the same HW who wrote amazing stuff like that in the 90s and early 00s is now force-feeding us the Hope/Liam/Steffy dreck, shameless PSA stories and barf-inducing characters like Caroline. WTF happened?

I don't expect much from a character who entrance was equivalent to a toothpaste commercial. Remember her first eppy? Absolute cheese!

Anytime RC gives us fake flashbacks. Remember the inaccurate portrayal of John Jack's death on GH complete with insertion of Jerry into the scene when he was originally nowhere in sight. Rewriting the original Dead Man Hand's story by saying John was murdered by Ewen. What a mess

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Anytime RC gives us fake flashbacks. Remember the inaccurate portrayal of John Jack's death on GH complete with insertion of Jerry into the scene when he was originally nowhere in sight. Rewriting the original Dead Man Hand's story by saying John was murdered by Ewen. What a mess

Making crap up through flashbacks is a lazy writing technique on any show and I've rolled my eyes at it on other shows as well.