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She was never suited to the big big time, as she just isn't that type of artist, the one who has the instincts and the stamina (like Beyonce or Madonna). She has raw talent and she should have let her talent speak for itself, instead of getting lost.

I don't think her fans are wrong to call this a comeback, because it is a huge comeback. Not in terms of sales, but in terms of media narrative. The media narrative for her was that she was a colossal failure, a desperate creature trying to reclaim what she never could, and a vanity act.

To be seen by many as the highlight of the night in one of the biggest entertainment shows of the year, to be embraced by Julie Andrews (who is pretty much universally popular), and to show that she doesn't have to go around wearing hula skirts made of pregnancy tests, or whatever - it gives her a chance to start over. And many artists never get that chance on a national or global stage.

She'll never be what she once was, but she never should have been that anyway. She can at least now be something positive and fairly popular, if she plays it right. And given that she did work very hard on this, I'll give her credit and wish her luck, even as I'm not really a fan of some of her recent work or of some of her fans, who seem to go on the attack and don't do her any favors.

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To be honest I don't think you're going to get it, as I don't think she's ever going to have that level of success again. I just think that she managed to - unless she screws it up - change the image of herself as a sad old has-been tromping around like Bette Midler's old Dolores Delago, The Toast of Chicago character. And that isn't easy for an artist to do, because often once the public sees you in a strongly negative way, it doesn't change, especially if you're a woman.

She has the chance now. What she does with it is up to her.

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I think, at the very least, she and her team are going to make a BIG, genuine effort towards returning her music to a much more mainstream sound, something that will still be a little 'Gaga' but not as batshit crazy and off-putting (to some) as some of the Born This Way and Artpop stuff.

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A beautiful Lady Gaga/Diane Warren collaboration for the documentary The Hunting Ground. Strong trigger warning for anyone who has ever experienced sexual assault.

 

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Well, she did pull her video with R. Kelly from being officially released where there were scenes suggesting he was sexually assaulting her and she was liking it...

 

I'm sorry, I just don't take her seriously and always question her intentions (as everything she's done has been about getting attention and people to feel sorry for her) , and she's more than often proven me right to do so over the years. Though, she has been slightly less annoying recently, now that her success and career have died down and the general public's interest in her has waned. 

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Must we? Obviously I feel terrible that she's dealt with depression and sexual assault, but I'm really just ready for her to go away. 

Yes, we must. It's a conversation that is all too rarely had, and for those who held her costumes and antics against her, the reasons behind it is something they do not want to hear about. So they'll hear about it! :lol:

 

Also, she's not going away. You can bet that she and her team will put 250% into coming up with an album #4 that's fire. No doubt about it. I don't know how you, of all people, do not see her huge talent and star-quality and would want this. :huh:;)

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Must we? Obviously I feel terrible that she's dealt with depression and sexual assault, but I'm really just ready for her to go away. 

 

Yes, we must. It's a conversation that is all too rarely had, and for those who held her costumes and antics against her, the reasons behind it is something they do not want to hear about. So they'll hear about it! :lol:

 

Also, she's not going away. You can bet that she and her team will put 250% into coming up with an album #4 that's fire. No doubt about it. I don't know how you, of all people, do not see her huge talent and star-quality and would want this. :huh:;)

oh, I do see she that she has huge, huge talent and I was an enormous fan of hers back in the day. but she wrecked her own career and I'm over hearing about her. plus she is awful on AHS. I'm sorry for all she's gone through but I'm ready for her to go away. Her next album would have to be really, REALLY amazing to win back me and the millions of other fans she's alienated over the past few years. 

 

Plus us I found her billboard interview to be so self congratulatory and smug, a giant pat on the back to how talented she is and how she's up there with Judy Garland. It was a huge reminder of why I stopped liking her in the first place. There's nothing I hate more than a very talented person telling you constantly how talented they are (Anne Hathaway). Stop telling us how much about the art you are and let us SEE it. All of her stunts failed miserably and alienated fans, and instead of embracing that and being like "okay I fucked up" she talks about them as if they were some grand form of art we were all too stupid to understand. I just find her grating and annoying and there are many people just as talented out there. Her time has passed, unless she does some serious work on this new album and goes back to The Fame era stuff. 

 

Also so who did she sleep with to get woman of the year from billboard? She hasn't even real eased an album in years and the only song she released this year, while beautiful, wasn't even that successful. 

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There is no career upswing though, she hasn't had a hit single in what, 3 years? When you're doing duets and commercials with Tony Bennett and still in your late 20's, something isn't right. 

 

Her career ran out of steam in 2010 and she's been clinging on ever since. I'd be very surprised if her next albums sees more success than her last two. It seems like her team is trying to soften her image a bit with paid for PR, but it's too little, too late IMO. 

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Tony Bennett ASKED her to record an album with him, just as he asked Amy Winehouse before that. And being from an Italian family herself, I can totally see why she said yes and went with it, regardless of what else is going on with her career.

 

I personally don't care how successful she really is now commercially. What matters is the talent, and she has that. She could do jazz standards for the rest of her life now and probably be happy. She doesn't need a huge hit anymore; she's done all that stuff already. And that Oscar performance was the best. 

 

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She peaked really fast in her career and burnt out, that was the point.

 

And the reason why that happened was not because she was untalented (she has talent), but she wasted her moment in the sun with cheap gimmicks, a passive-agressive feud with a legend (Madonna), and progressively crap material (I'm sorry, BTW and AP were not great albums) that ended up flopping and damaging her commercial career. All that and she's not even 30 yet. Everything she does now feels like an engineered PR plan to rebuild her public image and recover from the fall she's had with the general public, and I don't particularly feel it's working.  

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