Guiding Light discussion thread

[DeliaIrisFan]

Thanks, @DRW50 - great find.

[Maxim]

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Edited April 7 by Althea Davis

[Maxim]

I wanted to say a huge thanks to @rsclassicfanforever who uploaded Guiding light in German from 1982 to 1992 on his youtube channel. 

I just found that channel and didn't know about it... and I've started the 1982 episodes... COMPLETELY IN LOVE with the show.

Thank you!

 

THANK YOU

[GL Oldtimer]

Thank you so much @DRW50 for tagging me. What a gem of a find! It's so exciting to watch episodes from so many decades ago.

Thank you.

Annette

[Maxim]

I am loving 1982! 

[Maxim]

I am loving DM's scripts in 1982... Sadly it won't last for long. 

[P.J.]

OMG!! Thanks for posting. It's episodes I'd been searching for. They exist! 

BTW, does anyone remember if they really explained how Trish and Vanessa knew each other? I gathered they were friends, and from bios it says that Vanessa called Trish to bring her to Springfield because of Andy Norris. But I haven't found any context.  LOL...I'm semi-obsessed with messyVanessa.

[BoldRestless]

Wow! I had seen these years ago, then they disappeared... I was looking for them recently, and here they are! Thank you so much @rsclassicfanforever this is amazing!

[kalbir]

GL international broadcasts from Germany, Italy, Iceland have shown up on YT over the years but I don't know what the earliest years broadcast in those countries were.

[rsclassicfanforever]

The first episode in Germany was US #8258 which aired November 5th, 1979.

Two episodes (#8258 and #8259) were shown as a pilot-episode. And then they splitted every episode into two 20-minute episodes.

they switched back to 40min after 322 episodes.

[kalbir]

@rsclassicfanforever Thank you for the info re GL start point in Germany. What year did GL start airing in Germany?

[P.J.]

I don't suppose there's some way to get the transcript on youtube to convert to English? I know what's going on for the most part, having dug out a hodgepodge of clips in English, and just knowing the history, but I've never wished I was conversational in any language as much as I was now. lol

Oddly, the Nola/Quint wedding is entirely in English. As is singing. 

[rsclassicfanforever]

The pilot aired on May 26th, 1986 on german TV station RTLplus (now RTL).

[FrenchFan]

For those interested, here are the summaries for a dozen episodes from late 1962 (about the death of Anne Benedict Fletcher).

#3908 – Thursday 10/18/1962

At Julie and Jane’s apartment, Jane was cooking but Julie told her she couldn’t stay for dinner as she was meeting Mike. Jane suggested she invite Mike to eat at the flat instead but Julie was unsure. Jane told Julie about her talk with her brother. Some friends of Paul’s were buying an interest in his clinic and he would be able to pay his debts – Alex Bowden and Doris Crandall. Julie told Jane that Doris called George in his office and she sounded very weird. She asked Jane how Anne would take the news but Jane said Paul didn’t talk about Anne with her.

At the Fletchers’, Anne repeated her ultimatum to Paul : he gave up the clinic or she would take Johnny and leave him. Anne couldn’t stand living in this neighbourhood anymore. Paul said she didn’t stop complaining for 4 years. Anne begged him : giving up the clinic was the last chance. The phone rang and Paul left to meet a patient.

Anne heard a noise in the clinic. Frightened, she grabbed the pistol hidden in the drawer. She opened the door and found Doris. Anne apologized. She said she had read about a holdup in the neighborhood. Anne noticed Doris sounded drunk. She said she wanted to talk with Anne.

#3909 – Friday 10/19/1962

The Bauers were having dinner. Bruce told Meta, Bert and Papa that Paul was finally able to pay his debts because Doris and Alex both gave him $25.000 against %5 of the clinic each. Bruce was happy for Paul but said Anne would be offended. Meta said she dropped in on Robin on the morning and saw Anne and she felt like she had a weird feeling. Probably if Doris and Alex helped Paul together, Robin was offended. Bruce was sure there was something between Doris and Alex only in Robin’s mind.

At the Fletchers’, Doris told Anne that Robin visited her at her hotel. Anne said Robin probably resented her investment in the clinic as much as she did. Doris was sure that Anne poisoned Robin’s mind about her. She accused Anne of wanting Paul’s failure since day 1. Anne assured she was packing and moving out. Doris was horrified she wasn’t more sensitive to Paul’s needs. Anne asked Doris to go and accused her of meddling in her and Robin’s life. She reminded Doris she came to Los Angeles to remarry Alex and when he married Robin, she tried to kill herself on a bottle of rotgut. Anne ordered her to leave. She went to the clinic, tried to find a lighter for her cigarette. Her cigarette dropped from her fingers to the floor.

#3910 – Monday 10/22/1962

Paul had come back home. Anne told him Johnny might be not asleep yet if he wanted to see his son. Paul asked Anne if she was really to leave. She said even her father didn’t believe she would but she was fed up trying to convince Paul to give the clinic up. She was really leaving. Paul explained he left tonight to attend a little girl who needed insulin. He saved her life. Anne didn’t want to hear.

Paul went to the clinic to clean it. After opening a drawer, he asked Anne if she took something out of his desk. She denied and Paul asked if anyone came. She said Doris was there and had the gall to try to lay down rules of behavior for Anne. She added she told Doris what she thought of her – meddling with the Fletchers and Robin Bowden’s life. Paul told Anne he noticed someone was there because the alcool bottle was very low and he reminded he and Bruce only had a small drink earlier this evening. Paul was worried Doris had drank because she was an alcoholic but hadn’t touched alcohol in a year.

Paul decided to look for Doris. Anne didn’t want to stay alone but Paul reminded her she had her gun. Anne was shocked. She remembered taking the gun because she was afraid a robber was coming but it was Doris. She was sure she had put the gun here, in the clinic but the gun was nowhere to be found. Paul and Anne realized Doris must have taken the gun.

#3911 – Tuesday 10/23/1962

At the Benedicts’, Paul told Helene he didn’t think that Anne would finally leave Paul but Helene wasn’t surprised as Anne had complained about the situation for months. Henry admitted he was pleasantly surprised that Paul had Alex Bowden investing in the clinic and thought he might have misjudged him. Henry wished Helene would call Anne to talk about the situation.

On the phone, Anne was fed up with her mother’s meddling. She told Helene about Doris’ visit earlier to convince her not to leave Paul. She added Doris had fallen off the wagon and Paul had left to find her but Anne had nearly finished packing and was ready to go at her parents’ before Paul came back. After Anne hung up, she wrote a note to Paul saying she was leaving but she heard a noise in the clinic. Doris was there, fighting to say conscious and was calling for Paul.

Anne moved to the clinic and found Doris. She told her Paul wasn’t there. A drunk Doris told Anne she only wanted Paul to be happy. Paul arrived. He begged Doris to give him the gun. As she refused, Paul struggled with her. Doris insisted Paul let her go. She wanted to kill herself. The gun finally went off. Anne fell forward on the floor.

#3912 – Wednesday 10/24/1962

Jane was working on Emergency with Miss March that night and Dr. Berger. It was her first night. Dr. Berger told Jane he noticed her already but she was monopolized by her brother, Dr. Fletcher. Berger said he heard Paul might come back to Cedars’ but Jane assured it was not true. Berger added he admired Paul for his clinic in such a difficult part of town. Miss March questioned Jane about Paul’s family – Johnny, who was five years old or Anne – when the phone rang. It was Paul asking for an ambulance as his wife had been shot.

Jane and Berger arrived at the clinic and Paul left with Berger for Cedars with Anne in the ambulance. Jane stayed with a drunken Doris who asked Jane if someone was hurt. Jane called Mrs. Mulligan and asked her to stay with Johnny until Paul came back because she had to take Doris to the hospital. Jane took the bottle away from Doris and told her a cab would be coming.

Back at the hospital, Jane asked Miss March how Anne was. She said Dr. Berger was operating her. Paul hysterically told Jane he shot Anne with the gun he bought her. Jane tried to understand what happened when Berger came out from surgery. He told Paul that Anne was dead. She didn’t have a chance.

#3913 – Thursday 10/25/1962

At the Bauers’, Bert was on the phone with Bill. She was happy he had told her he would see Bert for Thanksgiving – either he would be home or Bert and Billy could come to Seattle. The talk turned to the Fletchers’ and Meta and Bruce told Papa they hoped Anne would warm up to Paul’s ideas and the neighbourhood they were living in. Papa pondered that saving the clining but losing the wife might be a hollow victory for Paul. The phone rang. It was Jane, trying to reach Bruce.

After Bruce hung up with Jane, he told the Bauers that there had been an accident and Anne was dead, that Paul called an ambulance from the clinic. Bruce asked Bert and Meta to go to the Fletchers’ to tend to little Johnny as Jane only found a temporary sitter. He told the ladies to stay in the house and not in the clinic. After they left, Papa asked Bruce if Jane said more. Bruce admitted Jane told him that Paul shot Anne.

At the hospital, Jane told Bruce she arrived at the clinic with Dr. Berger, found Anne on the floor and Paul was standing there. She said a drunken Doris was also present at the scene. She added Paul repeated he killed Anne and locked himself up in Bruce’s office. Dr. Berger told Jane he would call the police as Anne died by gunshot.

#3914 – Friday 10/26/1962

At the Benedicts’, Helene and Henry wondered why Anne was so long at coming as she said she had nearly finished packing her bags. Henry said Paul might have come back home and convinced her to stay. They decided they should call her. At the Fletchers’, Meta and Bert found the note Anne had written saying she was leaving with Johnny. The phone rang. Bert answered to Helene who asked to speak to her daughter. Bert said something happened and suggested Henry would come.

Meta and Bert worried about they would bring the news to the Benedicts when Bruce called. He told Meta that Paul locked himself up in his office and he had to give him a sedative. Meta was horrified when Bruce told her that Paul kept repeating he had shot Anne. Bruce hadn’t talked to Doris yet – she was present on the scene and was on a room at Cedars.

Henry and Helene arrived. Meta told them Anne had an accident at the clinic and she was dead. Bert told it involved a pistol and Henry realized the gun Anne kept in the clinic was not there. Henry was angry as Bert tried to keep him calm. He found the note Anne left. He became sure it was not an accident and reached the breaking point, ordering to know what happened to his daughter.

#3915 – Monday 10/29/1962

Meta was back at the Bauer’s. She told Papa that Bert was staying with Johnny until Paul would come home. She explained Papa that Paul kept repeating to Bruce he had shot Anne and she had to tell the Benedicts their daughter was dead. She added that Doris Crandall was found on the death scene when the ambulance arrived. She was too drunk to call about what happened. Bruce should be back soon and Meta would go to Alex and Robin to tell them the news.

At Cedars’, a nurse tried to talk to Doris when Bruce entered the room. The nurse told Bruce that Doris was given Librium to stay calm. The nurse left and Bruce talked to Doris. She was talking nosense, repeating Anne not to leave Paul. Bruce told her that Paul would need her. He asked her if there was a gun at the clinic. She said she hated guns. Bruce begged her to tell him who shot the gun but Jane arrived, telling Bruce that Lt. Wade was there.

Jane asked Bruce how Doris was. He said she was still drunk and he asked about Paul who was still in Bruce’s office, telling he killed his wife. Jane thought Bruce should talk to Lt. Wade first. Jane would stay with Doris who was still going through delirium.

#3916 – Tuesday 10/30/1962

At the Fletchers’, Bert asked Helene if she shouldn’t go home and come and see Paul in the morning. Helene asked Bert to keep her company. She couldn’t understand how Anne’s death could have happened. Anne knew how to deal with firearms. Bert wondered if they should tear up Anne’s note as it would bring much more sadness to Paul. Helene said Paul had the right to know. Helene finally broke down when Bert put Anne’s suitcase away.

Bruce met Lt. Wade at Cedars and told him questioning Paul should wait as he was under shock. Bruce said he briefly questioned Paul about Anne’s shooting but his answers didn’t make any sense. Wade asked about Doris. Bruce said she used to be Paul’s receptionist and she was present on the scene but she was drunk and couldn’t say anything coherent either at the moment. Wade insisted he had to talk to Paul and Bruce had to agree.

In Bruce’s office, Wade asked Paul who the gun belonged to and Paul said it was Anne’s. Paul confirmed Doris’ presence. He said the gun went off. Bruce insisted Wade put an end to the questioning for the night.

#3917 – Wednesday 10/31/1962

At the Fletchers’, Bert was on the phone with Bruce who told her he was bringing Paul home. Helene told Henry they should leave, suggesting they could take care of Johnny for a while, taking him on a trip somewhere maybe. Lt. Wade arrived. He told Henry he was there for a routine check. Bert assured Lt. Wade nobody went to the clinic. When Wade asked about Doris, Henry was shocked to learn she was present on the death scene. Henry added Anne kept the gun for protection as the neighbourhood was shady. Helene and Henry went to pack Johnny’ things.

Wade found Anne’s note. Bert thought it should be kept for Paul but Wade put it in his pocket. Wade went to the clinic. He picked up the gun and noticed the empty bottle. After he left, Bert told Helene that Wade gave her a receipt for the not he took with him. Paul arrived with Bruce. Helene told him she wanted to take Johnny and he admitted it was for the best. Paul was on a daze and didn’t pick it up when Helene mentioned going on a trip with Johnny. Henry asked Bruce if Doris was really present when Anne was shot dead. Bruce assured Henry there was more important at the moment.

#3918 – Thursday 11/01/1962

Bruce arrived at the Bauers’ to pick up Meta. He told her and Papa that he asked Bert to stay with Paul for the night as the Benedicts had left with Johnny. Bruce said he was relieved Paul didn’t say the police he shot Anne as he previously repeated. Bruce added Lt. Wade knew Paul from his work with the local precinct. Bert had told Bruce that Lt. Wade took a note Anne wrote prior to her death indicating Paul she was leaving him. Bert had also seen Lt. Wade take the gun and the empty bottle. Bruce was sure it was the bottle he used with Paul when they toasted to the saved clinic but he was sure it was not empty, so he thought it was linked to Doris Crandall.

Bruce tried to reason with Papa and Meta about why Doris was there and how she was linked to Anne’s shooting. Meta asked Bruce to drop at Robin and Alex’s before going home because they should know before Anne’s death was in the newspaper the following morning.

At the Bowdens’, Alex was back from an exhibition at the gallery. Robin was very angry that Alex forced her to see a psychiatrist. She asked Alex if her seeing a psychiatrist was a condition for their marriage because she had a condition for their marriage : Doris Crandall. Robin said she nearly felt guilty thinking she was imaging things between Alex and Doris but then she knew she was right. She had gone to see Doris after Anne Fletcher told her how Alex and Doris both invested in Paul’s clinic. Robin told Alex she knew Doris did this to get closer to Alex, she was not blind. Alex assured Robin she was only repeating Anne’s words. Meanwhile, Bruce and Meta arrived at the Bowdens’.

[kalbir]

@rsclassicfanforever Thank you for the answer. 

6 1/2 year delay in Germany means January 1982 to December 1992 episodes were broadcast there July 1988 to June 1999.