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6 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

I told Alan to ask Carolyn about her time on ATWT. He acted like he knew already what to ask. I doubt he knew she was on ATWT although he pretended to know.

 

Someone mentioned that Morgan was Marland creation and once he left she was fired and most of the rest of his creations.

 

 

Alan is just so inept. She stubbornly refuses to do any research. His mother was a fan. Alan clearly has never been. And it totally shows. She just did PR for some of them. Back in the 1800's. As she constantly reminds us. She's started as a bloody mess. She remains a bloody mess. She's clearly doing it for the money. I wonder how much YouTube pays her?

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33 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

That sounds like him...

 

Kristen was fired about 7 or 8 months before Marland left and then Morgan the character outlasted him by 6-7 months - I'm not sure if Jennifer Cooke wanted to leave or was let go.

Thought I read Cooke was also fired when they wrote Morgan out

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On 6/9/2021 at 10:57 AM, Mitch said:

Ha..yes, weird. I remember her (I believe it was her..)going to one of the GL Fan Club Events and saying she met the Mel actress who was nice...but she didn't know who she played??? I mean, I HATED Buzz, the Santos and anything San Crud but I knew who those people were in relation to the story...reminds me of when they killed Richard a fan almost got hit by a car as she was so distracted he was leaving, or Della, who was this HUGE Gush fan and would disparage anyone else's opinion on their domination of the show and the changes and would tell people "real" fans would shut up, who almost threw herself off a cliff when Gus died..and "Ill NEVER watch this show again!" (scary that I remember all these people but damn if I can remember someone's birhtday!0

 

Dear God, is that an unpleasant blast from the past, lol. I remember Della, but dont think she ever roamed over here. There were, however, a couple of those trolls that made there way over here. The the-current-show-is-so-great-you-should-only-say-positive-things kind of fan. Those people can get bent. 

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wanted to note the passing of douglas cramer.  a supervising producer in the late 1950 for both ‘world turns (where he work closely with irna phillips) and gl, his is not a name familiar to a lot of soap fans, but it was he, in the early 1960s, who recognized that serials belonged on primetime as well as daytime. 

 

this is a link to his obit in the hollywood reporter

 

also check out interview for the television academy’s oral history

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On 6/8/2021 at 11:02 PM, DRW50 said:

 

I rarely if ever am on at the right time to see these, but it would be interesting to hear Carolyn talk about her time at ATWT, which was entirely dominated by the writers strike, and Kristen to talk about her departure from GL and OLTL (wasn't she fired both times?). Kristen was incredibly special as Morgan - she really carried a great deal of Morgan's story on her back and that did not become clear until after her departure.

 

Lesley Ann Monroe was one of those characters whom I loathed to the point of being unable to watch her on screen. I had to FF through all her scenes. I couldn't stand the actress' take on Laura on ATWT, either, but at least I was SUPPOSED to dislike her, LOL.

 

Yes, KV was fired from both TGL and OLTL. The gossip was that she was unprofessional at TGL, didn't always study her lines, showed up late, etc. The problem was, as you say, she had something special. Her replacements on both shows were absolutely dreadful, and it really showed how unique Kristen had been.

 

On 6/9/2021 at 10:57 AM, Mitch said:

Ha..yes, weird. I remember her (I believe it was her..)going to one of the GL Fan Club Events and saying she met the Mel actress who was nice...but she didn't know who she played??? I mean, I HATED Buzz, the Santos and anything San Crud but I knew who those people were in relation to the story...reminds me of when they killed Richard a fan almost got hit by a car as she was so distracted he was leaving, or Della, who was this HUGE Gush fan and would disparage anyone else's opinion on their domination of the show and the changes and would tell people "real" fans would shut up, who almost threw herself off a cliff when Gus died..and "Ill NEVER watch this show again!" (scary that I remember all these people but damn if I can remember someone's birhtday!0

 

Yikes. People like that (and they exist in all areas of fandom) strike me as being somewhat limited intellectually, and lacking a firm grip on reality. I try to ignore them as much as possible. If all my favorite actors and characters are written off my shows, I am wont to lose interest and stop watching too, but getting so hysterical is (as you say) weird.

 

 

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Well, he did give Charita a back handed compliment that when she went from the "star" of the show, to the worried Mom and Grandma to everyone's supportive mother figure,  who takes coats, she committed to it. Obviously not realizing we all thought of her as the star to the show and that being support and not being kidnapped and chewing scenery everyday does not lessen your impact. I don't know how Nadine's death was more important then Mo's (and while I felt the character was a useless copy of later Nola, I thought the death was disgusting) but again, he, like Marland was so tied into that family as an ideal replacement of his own (maybe) he has a different view.

 

I took those remarks to mean that Mulcahey was acknowledging Bert Bauer's shifting place on the canvas. She did go from being a lead in the 1950s and 1960s, to a supporting player in the 1970s and 1980s...but NEVER phoned in her performances or slacked off, no matter what material she was given by TPTB. I agree with you, however, that to longtime viewers, Charita Bauer was always the heart of the show; the hub of the wheel. Once she was gone, TGL did not feel like TGL anymore. 

 

Nadine's death was both gratuitous and vile, and I certainly would not have allowed it to happen, but to me, Maureen's death was so much more significant because she had become the new matriarch of the Bauer family. At the time of Mo's death, we had no Meta and no Hope, so Maureen was basically it. I did not believe the show could survive after losing Bert, but then to slaughter the "replacement" matriarch, for no valid reason, was simply one of the worst blunders in soap operas' history. 

 

On 6/9/2021 at 1:53 PM, DRW50 said:

 

That sounds like him...

 

Kristen was fired about 7 or 8 months before Marland left and then Morgan the character outlasted him by 6-7 months - I'm not sure if Jennifer Cooke wanted to leave or was let go.

 

At the time, it was reported that she was let go. If you recall, Gail Kobe and TPTB were firing the vast majority of actors who had predated them. I did not really mind losing Cooke, to be honest, as she was tepid and uninteresting in the role.

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21 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

At the time, it was reported that she was let go. If you recall, Gail Kobe and TPTB were firing the vast majority of actors who had predated them. I did not really mind losing Cooke, to be honest, as she was tepid and uninteresting in the role.

 

Thanks. That makes sense, as Kathleen Cullen and Geraldine Court were let go around the same period. 

 

I always find the concept of the Richards women and their relationships more interesting than what we got onscreen. There's something very wan about the way Marland wrote for his central characters at GL - you have very serious, angst-ridden people with no real inner life, with panto baddies like Josh or Vanessa (or Nola before they made the character a heroine) on the other side. Vigard is the one who made Morgan feel more real to me. 

 

I will say that I do think Cullen was able to give Amanda more of an inner life when the Dobsons were writing the show.

 

I've also heard some here say that Pat Falken Smith wrote well for Amanda. 

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25 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

Thanks. That makes sense, as Kathleen Cullen and Geraldine Court were let go around the same period. 

 

I always find the concept of the Richards women and their relationships more interesting than what we got onscreen. There's something very wan about the way Marland wrote for his central characters at GL - you have very serious, angst-ridden people with no real inner life, with panto baddies like Josh or Vanessa (or Nola before they made the character a heroine) on the other side. Vigard is the one who made Morgan feel more real to me. 

 

I will say that I do think Cullen was able to give Amanda more of an inner life when the Dobsons were writing the show.

 

I've also heard some here say that Pat Falken Smith wrote well for Amanda. 

Totally agree with your assessment Carl. I loved the way KV played Morgan. JC was so BLAND. JC does get better towards the end of her run. She had good chemistry with Phillip. From what little i've seen of Mark Evans. I didn't find him to compelling. The whole Mona Enright/Rebecca Cartwright saga was extremely convoluted.

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39 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

Yes, KV was fired from both TGL and OLTL. The gossip was that she was unprofessional at TGL, didn't always study her lines, showed up late, etc.


A reminder of something I preach on every thread about every show: whenever we criticize casting and recasting choices of producers, headwriters, etc, we NEED to keep in mind there is a LOT we don't know about and some human resources decisions are made like they would be in any other business. It is not always the quality of the underlying work that makes someone unacceptable to keep around.

We understandably often talk about those casting choices and firings as if it always came down to whether they were good actors and whether the writer wanted to write for them. But there are plenty of other things that came at play and I bet most apparently puzzling casting decisions could easily be explained if we had the full picture of what goes on BTS.

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1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

Thanks. That makes sense, as Kathleen Cullen and Geraldine Court were let go around the same period. 

 

A HUGE number of important cast members were axed in 1983 and '84. I realize that sometimes actors have "issues" that make them untenable to keep around, but I cannot believe that scores of actors who had been on the show for years ALL suddenly became impossible to work with, at the same time. Pamela Long even mentioned later on that when they came aboard, she and Gail Kobe wanted to "get rid of the dead wood." Pffft. 

 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I always find the concept of the Richards women and their relationships more interesting than what we got onscreen. There's something very wan about the way Marland wrote for his central characters at GL - you have very serious, angst-ridden people with no real inner life, with panto baddies like Josh or Vanessa (or Nola before they made the character a heroine) on the other side. Vigard is the one who made Morgan feel more real to me. 

 

Yes, Vigard had a very real screen presence, as well as chemistry with everyone. I found Morgan to be petulant and abrasive, but with KV in the role, I still wanted her on the show. When Jennifer Cooke took over, the character became pretty useless. 

 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I will say that I do think Cullen was able to give Amanda more of an inner life when the Dobsons were writing the show.

 

I agree, although Cullen was always good. Compare her nuanced portrayal to that of her replacement. 

 

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I've also heard some here say that Pat Falken Smith wrote well for Amanda. 

 

I am one of the "some," here. PFS wrote beautifully for Amanda, Vanessa, Nola, Bert, Mike, and even Sara and Hillary. She offered many memorable character-driven vignettes which proved she had studied the show and characters thoroughly. I was thrilled. I was sure she was going to do the type of stellar work she had done on Where The Heart Is, Days, and GH. Unfortunately, she was terminated very quickly and replaced by a revolving door of writers, the vast majority of whom neither understood TGL nor could write for it effectively. 

 

1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

Totally agree with your assessment Carl. I loved the way KV played Morgan. JC was so BLAND. JC does get better towards the end of her run. She had good chemistry with Phillip. From what little i've seen of Mark Evans. I didn't find him to compelling. The whole Mona Enright/Rebecca Cartwright saga was extremely convoluted.

 

Mark Evans was another one of those characters whom I was not sorry to see go. Watching the Mona Enright mess, I always thought that the story was such a mess because the writers had no idea where they were going with it. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Lesley Ann Monroe was one of those characters whom I loathed to the point of being unable to watch her on screen. I had to FF through all her scenes. I couldn't stand the actress' take on Laura on ATWT, either, but at least I was SUPPOSED to dislike her, LOL.

 

At the time, it was reported that she was let go. If you recall, Gail Kobe and TPTB were firing the vast majority of actors who had predated them. I did not really mind losing Cooke, to be honest, as she was tepid and uninteresting in the role.

 

Do you have any recollection of the original Lesley Ann? She was then played by Jacqueline Perkel, who is a colleague of mine at Rutgers University.

 

As I recollect, Geraldine Court was dumped in February 1983 when Allen Potter was still at the helm. Jennifer Cooke's Morgan was used during the Kobe period with the Browne/Palumbo and Culliton/Culliton/Tomlin regimes. She was placed into Rick and Phillip's orbit, which was odd. Cooke was written out in May 1983 just around the time the Long/Culliton regime started. Kathleen Cullen was dropped as Amanda in August 1983.

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7 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

Do you have any recollection of the original Lesley Ann? She was then played by Jacqueline Perkel, who is a colleague of mine at Rutgers University.

 

As I recollect, Geraldine Court was dumped in February 1983 when Allen Potter was still at the helm. Jennifer Cooke's Morgan was used during the Kobe period with the Browne/Palumbo and Culliton/Culliton/Tomlin regimes. She was placed into Rick and Phillip's orbit, which was odd. Cooke was written out in May 1983 just around the time the Long/Culliton regime started. Kathleen Cullen was dropped as Amanda in August 1983.

 

Mmm, no I cannot picture Jacqueline Perkel in my mind. Was she the actress who played the role when it was only a minor, recurring part? Maybe Perkel did not grate on my nerves the way Carolyn Ann Clark did, which would account for her fading from my memory banks. LOL!

 

I know Gail Kobe predated Pamela Long on the show. I thought Kobe began at the end of 1982, which is when I believed Allen Potter left. You could be right, however.

 

 

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2 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Mmm, no I cannot picture Jacqueline Perkel in my mind. Was she the actress who played the role when it was only a minor, recurring part? Maybe Perkel did not grate on my nerves the way Carolyn Ann Clark did, which would account for her fading from my memory banks. LOL!

 

I know Gail Kobe predated Pamela Long on the show. I thought Kobe began at the end of 1982, which is when I believed Allen Potter left. You could be right, however.

 

 

 

Yep. Perkel played the role when Lesley Ann was a minor character.

 

It's possible Potter left and Kobe started work at the end of 1982, but her credit in the closing crawl didn't appear until around February 1983. There used to be GL episodes on YouTube from February 1983 where the credits showed the shift from Potter to Kobe.

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