I think Hillary would have tweaked the ACA a bit. I felt like there were parts of it she didn't agree with. I hated the fining people for not having insurance part of it. There are people who might not want insurance and shouldn't be fined for not having it.

3 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

That's an anomaly from my experience with the ACLU. I was on the board of the ACLU for nine years and there was none of that victim blaming even when our clients were...let's say...problematic. I've been in love with the organization ever since.

 

There are always people who look for reasons to blame other people for their problems because it reassures them that they will never be in the same position. Just like Trump voters on food stamps and welfare don't consider themselves takers because they think they deserve help while "those people" don't.

Very true. I think the attorney I was working for was just very much about individual responsibility and choice. I probably shouldn't let her POV color my whole perspective, but it was a very small office, so it kind of did.

The fine was part of the mandate that made eliminating pre-existing conditions as a barrier for insurance possible. Without it, there was no way to force insurance companies to stop denying insurance to people with pre-existing conditions.

Hillary would've moved heaven and earth to get us closer to single payer. The GOP would be doing what they did to Obama but she would've tried her damndest. She was working on health care reform back when Obama was smoking weed in college. The ignorant fraud we have in the White House now claims that no one knew health care could be so complicated. Except one person knew better than anybody.

36 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

I think Hillary would have tweaked the ACA a bit. I felt like there were parts of it she didn't agree with. I hated the fining people for not having insurance part of it. There are people who might not want insurance and shouldn't be fined for not having it.

That's the same old talking point people do pay for it. That was the only way to get the insurance companies to drop the pre-existing condition mandate. And how do they pay for it? Same as we did before. People with no insurance use the emergency rooms for healthcare don't pay and our premiums rise. I had private insurance 20 years ago when I was younger and self employed and paid $400/month for insurance in that great "free" market.

The problem is the mandate is not going away. Rather than being required to keep insurance, you can drop it, but then the insurance company bumps your premiums up by 30% each time you re-enroll. SO if the idea is to only buy insurance when you need it, you're going to be penalized for it anyway. And the crap policies that cover nothing and milk people out of money are coming back which basically cover nothing. And again who pays for the treatments those people having those policies can't afford to pay for? THe rest of us.

48 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

Me too. It's really the best case scenario, but it's a terrible way to run a country.  If only Hillary had won I think the ACA would have been entrenched too deeply to be undone. Then it could have been fixed instead of the uncertainly that's about to come our way. I think we can realistically hope that the bill as it stands won't pass, but if it does I feel really bad for people approaching old age who don't have employer health care.

 

The GOP and states would have just let it slowly die out, as they were already doing. I don't think most of them ever wanted this responsibility. 

Greg who?

21 minutes ago, Roman said:

Greg who?

 

That's the right response.

4 hours ago, marceline said:

Hillary would've moved heaven and earth to get us closer to single payer. The GOP would be doing what they did to Obama but she would've tried her damndest. She was working on health care reform back when Obama was smoking weed in college. The ignorant fraud we have in the White House now claims that no one knew health care could be so complicated. Except one person knew better than anybody.

 

As would Bernie. 

 

But you are so right. HRC was at the forefront long before anyone else was committed to reforming healthcare. 

5 minutes ago, rhinohide said:

 

As would Bernie. 

 

But you are so right. HRC was at the forefront long before anyone else was committed to reforming healthcare. 

 

You're right. Bernie would too. Whatever my many, many, MANY issues with him, I have no doubt that he would've fought like hell for universal healthcare.

10 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736

 

I do feel sorry for her. In a way it's like blaming a homeless person for not knowing how to balance a checkbook. For whatever reason she's never engaged. Suddenly she's confronted with a singular issue that motivated her to engage for the first time. You never know what you don't know. 

 

But im insanely gratified that she's suffering the consequences of her decision. Accountability is really big for conservatives. It's good they have to suffer as well. 

I'm not clever enough to know whether the GOP is merely a study in hypocrisy or the prime example of irony.  If I get this correctly, they just introduced a healthcare bill that eliminates coverage for mental Health services that affects millions of patients. That happened within a couple of weeks of The Orange Smear In America's Underpants rescinding President Obama's executive order denying the mentally ill from purchasing guns. Soooooooo.  Don't treat the mentally ill. Protect their right to purchase AR 15s. 

7 hours ago, GregNYC said:

 

I related to my previous avatar, Stacy Dash. Like her, I voted for Obama in 2008, but voted for Trump in 2016. The last 8 years opened my eyes to how corrupt DNC is, just like how it did to Stacy Dash.

 

Politics, sad, corrupt. The EVIL Koch bros run the GOP. NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF. 

 

https://thecorrespondent.com/6286/if-shell-knew-climate-change-was-dire-25-years-ago-why-still-business-as-usual-today/692773774-4d15b476

 

owned by oil and gas and the tobacco industry before that.  We think we're divided now?  Wait until we don't have safe drinking water for everybody and folks like GregNYC have all the guns and ammunition. They're nucking fruts and they're armed. 

 

It's kind of funny, only not. I have a dear friend who disregards climate science but she and her family are arming themselves to the teeth in case THE WALKING DEAD scenario actually comes to pass. 

 

And at 60 years old, I just bought my first gun. I hate them. I really don't want to live in a world that is so crazy I need to fear my neighbors, but I've come to see that my orange filth supporting neighbors have guns and they're frocking insane. It doesn't make sense to let the mentally ill have all the guns. 

Whenever I hear how supposedly how awful and corrupt the DNC is I remember my grandfather years ago was involved in local democratic politics and if people want to hear about dirt and deal making and collusion he had a ton of stories. But they got things done. That's how it worked and still does.

 

And to point to the RNC or GOP as some bastion of morality with the Koch Brothers who have single handedly with their puppets in place like Brownback in Kansas, Jindal in Louisiana, and Walker in Wisconsin have systematically destroyed all 3 states. Kansas is crumbling, Wisconsin went from a bastion of progressivism to a state that has slipped in education, lost revenue and business since it's been Tea partied. And their puppets in Congress have shut our government how many times, costing us billions for what? My late brother who lived in Indiana for a while, was there when Richard Lugar a conservative GOP senator who dared to reach across the aisle to work with democrats was primaried and beaten by another one of their robots in the primary who fortunately lost to the democrat due to his "rape resulting in a pregnancy were intended by God" comment.

2 hours ago, rhinohide said:

Soooooooo.  Don't treat the mentally ill. Protect their right to purchase AR 15s. 

 

Yep.  Our next Waco or Ruby Ridge is on the way.