Oh ditto. I'd sooner have Reva's REAL sister back. But in terms of the lesser of two evils, Laura Wright is the better choice, IMO.

I'd rather have the character of Reva die. I just can't stand her. Eeek.

Edited December 25, 200619 yr by DruRocks

GL lost alot of its viewers when they fired DAM. I an forsee GL getting canned before ATWT would.

Edited December 25, 200619 yr by WillenFan21

I'd rather have the character of Reva die. I just can't stand her. Eeek.

OMG.... You're probably the only one brave enough to post that!!! Even when I was hanging on to GL the last couple of years, I couldn't stand Reva. I even cheered Annie on. LOL.

*ducks*

Oh ditto. I'd sooner have Reva's REAL sister back. But in terms of the lesser of two evils, Laura Wright is the better choice, IMO.

Me too. I would rather have Roxie back. I wish Reva's lost sibiling would have been a brother and not a sister. Although Rusty is one of my favorites.

OMG.... You're probably the only one brave enough to post that!!! Even when I was hanging on to GL the last couple of years, I couldn't stand Reva. I even cheered Annie on. LOL.

*ducks*

LOL...Reva is such an annoying character to me. She has truly run her course. There's no humanity for the character, everything is so over the top and ridiculous. Even her cancer stuff was over the top. I too cheered for Annie. Cynthia Watros was a brilliant actress and very deserving of her emmy. It would have been ridiculous for anyone else to win that year.

OMG.... You're probably the only one brave enough to post that!!! Even when I was hanging on to GL the last couple of years, I couldn't stand Reva. I even cheered Annie on. LOL.

*ducks*

Nah...I think a lot of people on this board have been wanting Reva dead for quite some time now. I know bellcurve and me have openly admitted that we wished that Reva had stayed dead during the cancer fallout. IMO. bringing her back to life really downplayed all those pre-death scenes.

Dan, so which actress was playing Lizzie at the time of those scenes? Thanks for the backstory.

Edited December 25, 200619 yr by SpiritualJunkie

I'm not Dan, but I'm 95% sure it was Crystal Hunt's Lizzie that caused Olivia's fall. The Lizzie before her was Julia Barr's daughter.

It was Olivia, SJ. In 2003, Olivia was pregnant with Emma and Lizzie hated Olivia's role in Phillip's life. She tried to kill the child when she tripped Olivia down a flight of stairs at the Beacon.

To elaborate, Olivia tripped on the carpet that Lizzie pulled up to intentionally cause Olivia to trip and lose the baby. Lizzie had a change of heart after a heart to heart with Beth in the lobby and Lizzie shouted to Olivia as she came down the stairs. Olivia recovered and Lizzie attempted suicide. "Guiding Light" was very dark under Ellen Weston especially in August. The month started with the reception after Ben Reade's funeral, followed by Lizzie/Olivia/the staircase, then Eden showed Marah pictures of an old girlfriend of Tony's whom he had beaten up, and then Lizzie attempted suicide. Crystal Hunt was playing this material.

Eh. Not really. I mean, she was a weaker person when she first came on and was in denial about Bradley's abuse (and subsequent rape) of Beth, but I wouldn't say she was *that* much different.

The comments SJ is referring to is from Wednesday's ISL homewrecker episode in which Lizzie which I thought was vaguely, very vaguely, alluding to the fact that Lillian was no longer a pariah after the affair with Ed. If you didn't know that Lillian had had an affair with Ed, then the allusion really would have been lost because it was very very vague.

If it makes you GH fans feel any better, I'd rather have Laura Wright back than have Nicole Forrester.

Laura Wright will always have a special place in my heart because the first scene I ever saw of "Guiding Light" was Cassie in disbelief when she learned that she was also pregnant with Hart's baby.

Well, we had Peter Simon back as Ed, a development I absolutely loved... until he got so fed up after the Maryanne Carruthers story that he bolted again.

Am I the only one who didn't see Peter Simon as the definitive Ed? I much rather have had the recast arrive in January 2005 like planned than no Ed at all. With that, Kriezman blew the only brilliant character he's created: Sebastian.

I just remember Ellen Weston's reign of terror, and I figure GL really isn't THAT bad right now (not that that's saying a whole lot).

Weston and Kriezman are pretty even.

I tuned in on Wednesday for the 'homewrecker' episode. I should footnote this by saying I'm not a Jonathan/Tammy fan or a Marcy Ryland fan for the matter. Despite this, I was surprised by how good the episode was in parts. The crossover with the Mel/Rick/Beth plot was good, even if I don't by the basis of the Beth/Rick scenario this time around, and Lizzie's comments about Lillian, while vague, were pretty damn insightful and wraught with revelation for Lizzie.

Yet, the show still has major problems. I've never enjoyed 'dark' Tammy. Tammy stalking Jonathan and Lizzie is not the Tammy who ran around the Beacon in a bikini getting horny guys to pay her money to wash her car so that she could beat Lizzie in the Spaulding Internship contest. Tammy was fiesty and cunning, she didn't hide behind pillars so that she could watch the 'happy' little family. And no one start spouting the Jammy true love stuff. I don't buy it. I know Jammy has a following, and I think Pelphrey and Gatschet are brilliant performers, but Jonathan and Tammy has never worked. They aren't true love, there love is dark and twisted, and if that was played, maybe it could have worked. Jonathan was an selfish, arrogant prick when victimized Tammy fell in love with him.

Ryland is too cartoonish for my taste. Everything is over the top. I prefered Hunt's cold nastiness. Of course, I'd much rather have Allison Hirschlag back, who I believe has graduated from college, but I don't care for Ryland. The fact that she is the lone survivor of this storyline is sad and poor plotting. What is Lizzie going to do once Tammy and Jonathan leave? There seems to be no plan B.

W&K have done a better job w/ the history of the show. But then again, we're comparing this w/ the people who brought us a storyline that completely destroyed the history of the show in hundreds of ways.

The MADD mystery didn't completely ruin the history of the show. Was it a bad storyline? Probably. I remember "Guiding Light" lost most of their viewers after Caroline Carrouthers died in the Fun House during sweeps, but the storyline didn't ruin the history. Did it mesh with the history? No. Was it a storyline that should have been done? No. I enjoyed it. None of the men involved intentional set out to destroy anybody and all the characters were pretty in character. Josh became quiet, Alan wanted to control the situation, Buzz wanted to run away, and Billy looked for liquor. I think the thing people disliked the most, and maybe I'm wrong, is that Ed slapped Michelle. Well, Ed Bauer isn't a good father. Period. I remember during the Phillip is dead storyline Rick gave a beautiful speech to Mel about how bad a role model Ed had been with not a word out of anyone's mouth. People didn't like Ellen Weston because she replaced Millee Taggert and Carolyn Culliton when they were on an upswing. Weston was a new headwriter who had a rocky start but was truly pulling it together when they axed her.

A storyline that TRULY destroyed history of "Guiding Light" was the murder of legacy character Phillip Spaulding in an ATROCIOUS, pathetic, lame, and boring plot focusing on the 'super duo' of Harley and Gus. Jesus. They honestly should have written the Spauldings off right there and then. Phillip was that family and I don't think they've recovered since Alexander was fired.

The MADD mystery didn't completely ruin the history of the show. Was it a bad storyline? Probably. I remember "Guiding Light" lost most of their viewers after Caroline Carrouthers died in the Fun House during sweeps, but the storyline didn't ruin the history. Did it mesh with the history? No. Was it a storyline that should have been done? No. I enjoyed it. None of the men involved intentional set out to destroy anybody and all the characters were pretty in character. Josh became quiet, Alan wanted to control the situation, Buzz wanted to run away, and Billy looked for liquor. I think the thing people disliked the most, and maybe I'm wrong, is that Ed slapped Michelle. Well, Ed Bauer isn't a good father. Period. I remember during the Phillip is dead storyline Rick gave a beautiful speech to Mel about how bad a role model Ed had been with not a word out of anyone's mouth. People didn't like Ellen Weston because she replaced Millee Taggert and Carolyn Culliton when they were on an upswing. Weston was a new headwriter who had a rocky start but was truly pulling it together when they axed her.

A storyline that TRULY destroyed history of "Guiding Light" was the murder of legacy character Phillip Spaulding in an ATROCIOUS, pathetic, lame, and boring plot focusing on the 'super duo' of Harley and Gus. Jesus. They honestly should have written the Spauldings off right there and then. Phillip was that family and I don't think they've recovered since Alexander was fired.

I think it did b/c it completely re-wrote the histories of 5 of the characters, meaning that it also re-wrote the histories for their children and families.

The Ben Reade suicide storyline (I don't even remember who was in charge during that s/l) also rewrote a lot too. I think that storyline, and not the Maryanne Curruthers one, was the one that turned long-time viewers off. GL still has yet to recover from that one. The MC storyline just ruined the show IMO. It took a long time for the show to rebound, but basically now, it's a totally different show. Sure, there are some same characters, like Reva, Harley, Josh, Buzz, etc. But when I watch GL now, I don't even think about the GL of 10 years ago b/c the two are just too different.

For me, the Ben Reade storyline in 2003 was the final straw that made me drop GL until May 2004 when it was announced that Weston was out as HW. I'd say that one and the Maryanne Carruthers were definitely the worst of EW's hack jobs on GL.

The thing is CBS/P&G are very happy with Wheeler/Kriezman. Their ratings have stayed consistent. They even beat AMC. At least they have taken risks no matter if they failed or missed. Wheeler has stated she adores Kriezman more then anything and he will be there as long as she is. Ellen Wheeler is celebrating three years as GL EP in February and Kriezman has been there for two and half years as head writers. I do think Kriezman has improved in places. ATWT though is so mediocre and boring. It lost that fun high stakes drama that Hogan wrote. It had more comedy, drama, faster paced. Jean Passanante is a boring writer. Her writing on AMC bored me to tears, it was so dull. Her ATWT is slow paced, dark, and boring. My idea is I loved Carolyn Culliton for ATWT. I would promote Richard Culliton and bring Carolyn back to ATWT. Carolyn was Hogan's teacher and she knows so much of ATWT history. Would anyone love to see Carolyn Culliton return to ATWT? I loved it when she was writing the show and promote Richard Culliton. Right now it is Jean Passanante as head writer and Leah Laiman/Chris Whitesell are her co-head writers.

The Cullitons would be great as Co-HWs of ATWT! The best part of Sheffer's tenure at ATWT was when Carolyn was his Co-HW, and she was also very good at GL in 2002. I think she'd be really good for ATWT, especially right now.

I would love the Cullitons as co-HWs of ATWT! But who should be EP?

Lizzie attempted suicide??? I could totally see Crystal Hunt's version doing that but not Marcy Rylan's.

The comments SJ is referring to is from Wednesday's ISL homewrecker episode in which Lizzie which I thought was vaguely, very vaguely, alluding to the fact that Lillian was no longer a pariah after the affair with Ed. If you didn't know that Lillian had had an affair with Ed, then the allusion really would have been lost because it was very very vague.

Yeah, I was referring to the Lillian/Ed affair.

I tuned in on Wednesday for the 'homewrecker' episode. I should footnote this by saying I'm not a Jonathan/Tammy fan or a Marcy Ryland fan for the matter. Despite this, I was surprised by how good the episode was in parts. The crossover with the Mel/Rick/Beth plot was good, even if I don't by the basis of the Beth/Rick scenario this time around, and Lizzie's comments about Lillian, while vague, were pretty damn insightful and wraught with revelation for Lizzie.

I thought that ITL was one of the better ones in quite a while. It took a story that had been going on for months and looked into the heads of all 3 characters involved and gave them equal focus. I also liked the parallels that were made with other stories including the Lillian/Lizzie comparison.

I've never enjoyed 'dark' Tammy. Tammy stalking Jonathan and Lizzie is not the Tammy who ran around the Beacon in a bikini getting horny guys to pay her money to wash her car so that she could beat Lizzie in the Spaulding Internship contest. Tammy was fiesty and cunning, she didn't hide behind pillars so that she could watch the 'happy' little family. And no one start spouting the Jammy true love stuff. I don't buy it. I know Jammy has a following, and I think Pelphrey and Gatschet are brilliant performers, but Jonathan and Tammy has never worked. They aren't true love, there love is dark and twisted, and if that was played, maybe it could have worked. Jonathan was an selfish, arrogant prick when victimized Tammy fell in love with him.

I enjoy dark Tammy but this past year, it's gotten to the point where we've only seen her sad and mopey. Stephanie Gatschet is great at portraying quiet pain but I wanted to see Tammy finally get out of the rut that she's been in. That's why I loved last week's ITL. Tammy was still facing those same dark problems but we got to see her more spunky, comedic side. I thought Gatschet was fantastic in that episode and it only made me a little more ticked that they haven't shown that side of Tammy more often. As for her relationship with Jonathan being dark and twisted....yeah, there's no denying that. I think that's one aspect those two play really well and that the writing team has actually stayed true to despite the fact they are painting them as a real love story. There have been many times where I find myself wanting a better life for Tammy because I won't lie...Jonathan can be a total prick and yet somehow, he always ends up as the sympathetic character. The reason for that being that TPTB have just taken more time and care to write for his character than Tammy's. Nevertheless, when Pelphrey & Gatschet are in a scene together, I can't help but get suckered in. Really, all logic and moral standards just get thrown out of the window with those two because I've seen other messed-up soap couples and yet, I don't find myself rooting for them to be together.

Ryland is too cartoonish for my taste. Everything is over the top. I prefered Hunt's cold nastiness. Of course, I'd much rather have Allison Hirschlag back, who I believe has graduated from college, but I don't care for Ryland. The fact that she is the lone survivor of this storyline is sad and poor plotting. What is Lizzie going to do once Tammy and Jonathan leave? There seems to be no plan B.

I totally agree with you about Rylan's Lizzie. I think you have to accept the fact that Lizzie is a completely different character now to accept Rylan's version. That's what I've done. To this day, I still don't know if it's the writing or the acting because I have seen Lizzie in her more quiet, thoughtful moments and I think Rylan does those well but then she can get really screechy and over-the-top, too. I mentioned in another thread that I was still trying to figure out what they were going to do with Lizzie once Jonathan & Tammy leave. They've completely taken Coop out of her orbit. Any attempts to reel her back into scenes with the other 20-something characters is going to look a tad forced and contrived because she has been so involved with Tammy & Jonathan.

The MADD mystery didn't completely ruin the history of the show. Was it a bad storyline? Probably. I remember "Guiding Light" lost most of their viewers after Caroline Carrouthers died in the Fun House during sweeps, but the storyline didn't ruin the history. Did it mesh with the history? No. Was it a storyline that should have been done? No. I enjoyed it. None of the men involved intentional set out to destroy anybody and all the characters were pretty in character. Josh became quiet, Alan wanted to control the situation, Buzz wanted to run away, and Billy looked for liquor. I think the thing people disliked the most, and maybe I'm wrong, is that Ed slapped Michelle. Well, Ed Bauer isn't a good father. Period. I remember during the Phillip is dead storyline Rick gave a beautiful speech to Mel about how bad a role model Ed had been with not a word out of anyone's mouth. People didn't like Ellen Weston because she replaced Millee Taggert and Carolyn Culliton when they were on an upswing. Weston was a new headwriter who had a rocky start but was truly pulling it together when they axed her.

A storyline that TRULY destroyed history of "Guiding Light" was the murder of legacy character Phillip Spaulding in an ATROCIOUS, pathetic, lame, and boring plot focusing on the 'super duo' of Harley and Gus. Jesus. They honestly should have written the Spauldings off right there and then. Phillip was that family and I don't think they've recovered since Alexander was fired.

But Philip's still alive. They just have to get Grant Aleksander back somehow.

oops

Edited December 27, 200619 yr by dc11786